Advice for next pair of skis

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PeeTex PeeTex
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Remember,  Z is a Vokl shill, last year he was shleping Elans.
Really, there are great skis from almost every manufacturer that ski well. Demos may help narrow it down but before you take the skis out, make sure they are tuned well, if they are not sharp, particularly in the tails, they may ski poorly causing you to pass up a ski you would really like.
Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces between the trees.
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Demos are like $50 a pop, those skis are $200 shipped.

Those RTM's have 0 camber, which I like personally but don't hold as well on ice unless your skiing is really good.

At your weight, some metal might be nice but I don't think it's a requirement, especially if there is camber. Also keep in mind that Coach is big and skis all the time, what he regards as 'long lasting' might not be true for you at 25 days a year. Most of my skis go 150+ days.

I am not here to sell skis, I have no connection to EVO, and have never heard that Dynastar's are noodles or don't last. I am not even necessarily a Dynastar fan, I just think that's the shape you want and a ski that would help you progress. It's pretty funny you cancelled based on one opinion, kind of as funny as buying based on one person's.

John Egan skis on them though, he's pretty good, and managed to move a lot of Cham's at the bush because of it.
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ml242 wrote
It's pretty funny you cancelled based on one opinion, kind of as funny as buying based on one person's.
Seriously, especially considering the person in question and, as PeeTex mentioned, his drastic shift from Elan shill to Volkl shill.

That being said, from my 1 run on them, I'd say the RTMs still hold on ice pretty well, and I have had some noodly experiences with the Dynastar/Rossignol family in the past.

I'd still say that Cham 87 Evo deal looks pretty good, and it's hard to go wrong with any high end ski from one of the bigger manufacturers these days. It's mostly like choosing between different car brands. People have opinions on the subtle differences, and some fit your style better, but they'll all get you where you need to go.
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PeeTex wrote
Remember,  Z is a Vokl shill, last year he was shleping Elans.
Really, there are great skis from almost every manufacturer that ski well. Demos may help narrow it down but before you take the skis out, make sure they are tuned well, if they are not sharp, particularly in the tails, they may ski poorly causing you to pass up a ski you would really like.
-Thanks for the tip
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ml242 wrote
It's pretty funny you cancelled based on one opinion, kind of as funny as buying based on one person's.
Seriously, especially considering the person in question and, as PeeTex mentioned, his drastic shift from Elan shill to Volkl shill.

That being said, from my 1 run on them, I'd say the RTMs still hold on ice pretty well, and I have had some noodly experiences with the Dynastar/Rossignol family in the past.

I'd still say that Cham 87 Evo deal looks pretty good, and it's hard to go wrong with any high end ski from one of the bigger manufacturers these days. It's mostly like choosing between different car brands. People have opinions on the subtle differences, and some fit your style better, but they'll all get you where you need to go.
-Thanks ML and MC.  I do appreciate the info, and that you guys and others took the time to reply.  I moved toward buying because it seemed like anything I'd want to rent would cost the same (or more) than buying a good deal and because of the age of my current pair.  For better or worse, my sources of information at this point are from talking to people, posts here, and reading online.  Evo has a good return policy, so I am buying the skis.  I am going to plan to do Hunter's demo day (which won't have a direct cost and is in the same town as the boot fitter), and if I find I don't like the current version or something I think is better on a value basis, I can return what I am getting for $7 in shipping.  So, buying the Cham 87s with the return policy is effectively a $7 option at least until I do the demo day.
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The Demo day at WF on Dec 5 is free.  You just need to leave a drivers lisc as deposit.  I believe several other brands will also be available that day to try as well.  The gear will be from the factory reps van so it all will be well tuned that day.

This years Volkl RTM series does have camber.  Last years did not and personally I am not a fan of skis without camber underfoot for skiing in the East.

I disclosed my Volkl connection by saying I would be working the demo day.  There are other pro reps also on this forum.  I am very into ski gear and have worked at a ski retailer where I was a hard goods buyer besides being an instructor.  That said based on what Dom told us my take is that the RTM would be a better ski for him than a 87mm under foot Cham.  Dynastar's Mo has always been to make light weight skis.  That will lead to less edge hold particularly for a bigger guy as I think Matt pointed out.  Going from a older ski to that wide is going to be quite a difference.  The RTM84 is the groomed ski of the year for Ski Magazine and it suits his ability and weight.  I'd suggest a demo day so Dom could try many different skis from many different makers and make an informed decision.

I just did some research on the Cham 87.  It is what they call part of the freeride family for Dynastar.  It's meant to skied more off groomers than on it.  Dom's descripotion of what he wants is 80/20 of groomers.  These are questions that a local shop would ask and would not likely steer him into this ski.  

All the major ski makers all make excellent gear.  Some are better suited to different preferences and skier make ups.

My other comment would while an on line retailer seems like it will save you a few bucks its pays to establish a relationship with your local brick and mortar ski shop.  You need these mounted and serviced.  You may need some boot fitting.  Local staff will have skied on the gear at a demo day and will be trained by the mfr they sell.  If you have a warranty issue a year or so down the road you will need a place to a place to take them.  Local retailers are a key to the ski industry and deserve all of our support.  Shop local!
"It is better to go skiing and think of God, than go to church and think of sport."
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Thanks Coach.  Like I said - I appreciate all of the advice.  You're an industry pro and know your stuff, and I found what you said very helpful.  On the disclosure issue, I don't feel that you didn't disclose - I saw multiple posts on the forum stating you were a pro rep, and I saw the one saying you moved to V.  

Yeah, I saw that the Cham is in the free ride series, and the Powertrack which the local ski store pointed me to is all mountain, so it certainly is designed more for on piste than the Cham, and more of what I would be doing.  

I do shop local whenever it makes sense and often when it doesn't on an economic basis (beyond skiing as well).  We're getting my son's seasonal rental at the local place.  I don't have confidence in my local Long Island ski shop for a boot fit, so I am going to a master bootfitter near Hunter.  The Chams, which I won't touch before the demo day, are cheaper than any decent seasonal rentals I could find, even with buying the bindings and cost to mount.  I'd like to go to the WF demo day, but given that I am going to the bootfitting near Hunter, and that is a few hours closer for me than WF, I am planning to schedule the fitting around the demo days (Dec 12-13).  Hunter's demo day will have the Cham and the Powertrack.   Stay tuned . . . .
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I didn't take well to others that said I shill for one or another brand.  They don't pay me or even give me free stuff.

Great try out the skis and some others as well.  Buy the ones you like best even if they cost more than the "deal" you got on line.  Life is too short to ski on skis you don't love.  If you live in LI but ski in the Catskills your local shop should be there then.

Once you get them go take a lesson with a PSIA Level 3 cert to learn how to use them best
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Coach Z wrote
I didn't take well to others that said I shill for one or another brand.
And I put an imoticon on it and everything. Don't take me serious big guy.
Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces between the trees.
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Missed the wink

While I have a horse in the race I want him to help pick out a great ski he will enjoy.  

I do go to a full day of training each fall from the factory and worked at a pro day at a Cunninghams.  I'm more than a bit more knowledgable on this subject than someone who might have read some reviews on the Internet .
"It is better to go skiing and think of God, than go to church and think of sport."
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