Alterra interested in Jay, VR is not

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When does Jay typically have all the trails open?  Always decent by Christmas?  Thinking about the trails that people who stay on resort would be on most of the time, not steep trees that are fully dependent on natural snow.
This is entirely dependent on natural snowfall. They could be 100% or only have the Jet and the Haynes open by Christmas or New Year's. They have limited snowmaking and need to play connect the dots. So even their snowmaking terrain is slow to open in a bad snow year. I've skied anything I've wanted, including glades, before they opened on +3' in October. And I've skied 3-4 sketchy groomer routes only just after New Year's. On average, I would call it a bad year if most on map terrain excepting the ridge has not opened at least once by MLK Day. Christmas is a crap shot, just like any where else. It just takes an early winter rain/freeze to hit the reset button on a significant amount of terrain that may have previously been open.
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Is there a 360 view from the summit at Jay?  More a question for the summer, but also for winter tourists.  

Is there any terrain on the backside that's skiable?  Or completely off limits?  Just looked at the online trail map for the first time.

Noticed that Canadians can get a Jay season pass at par for Canadian dollars if they pay in person by cash or mail a check.  Online credit card purchases in U.S. dollars only.  Second deadline is mid-Oct before price goes up to about $1000.
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marznc wrote
When does Jay typically have all the trails open?  Always decent by Christmas?  Thinking about the trails that people who stay on resort would be on most of the time, not steep trees that are fully dependent on natural snow.
This is entirely dependent on natural snowfall. They could be 100% or only have the Jet and the Haynes open by Christmas or New Year's. They have limited snowmaking and need to play connect the dots. So even their snowmaking terrain is slow to open in a bad snow year. I've skied anything I've wanted, including glades, before they opened on +3' in October. And I've skied 3-4 sketchy groomer routes only just after New Year's. On average, I would call it a bad year if most on map terrain excepting the ridge has not opened at least once by MLK Day. Christmas is a crap shot, just like any where else. It just takes an early winter rain/freeze to hit the reset button on a significant amount of terrain that may have previously been open.
Are there a few obvious places where adding snowmaking would help assure a decent amount of terrain for the Christmas holidays?  Any idea what the water source is?

Now that Massanutten has more or less unlimited water, they start building as deep a base as possible on the three core trails (green, blue, black) to increase the likelihood of being able to stay open when the inevitable Jan thaw hits.  They don't bother to work on other trails until about the week before MLK Day if temps haven't been cold enough in late Dec or early Jan.  May wait until late Jan to add the last trail or two if necessary.  Obviously very different from Jay, but the changes in the last decade at Massanutten have been interesting to observe.
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marznc wrote
Is there a 360 view from the summit at Jay?  More a question for the summer, but also for winter tourists.  

Is there any terrain on the backside that's skiable?  Or completely off limits?  Just looked at the online trail map for the first time.

Noticed that Canadians can get a Jay season pass at par for Canadian dollars if they pay in person by cash or mail a check.  Online credit card purchases in U.S. dollars only.  Second deadline is mid-Oct before price goes up to about $1000.
There is a tremendous 360 view from the summit, assuming that you climb the often-treacherous stairs up to the top. On a clear day you can see Montreal, Mt. Washington, Stowe and the ADK.

Not sure what you mean by "backside" but there is lots of off-map terrain to ski. Backside could mean The Dip, which is popular or even Big Jay, which is a more serious outing.

I don't buy season passes anymore but did buy a few in CAD by cheque or in person. It is a good deal but you have to have proof of a Canadian address to take advantage of it.

The summit can look like this:



Or this:


Love Jay Peak? Hate Jay Peak? You might enjoy this: The Real Jay Peak Snow Report
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Sick Bird Rider wrote
There is a tremendous 360 view from the summit, assuming that you climb the often-treacherous stairs up to the top. On a clear day you can see Montreal, Mt. Washington, Stowe and the ADK.

The summit can look like this:



Or this:

Thanks for the pics.  I would certainly be headed up the stairs for the view.

Reminds me of the Big Sky tram.  Last season went up to ski Liberty following a friend who moved out there from the northeast to be an instructor.  Lots of fog and clouds at the very top.  She assured us that once we got down a bit, we'd be able to see and the snow would get better.  Still it was good that wasn't my first time dealing with the switchbacks.

Guess now we wait and see who ends up buying Jay.  I'm certainly more likely to make the trek at some point if it were part of Ikon.  Would like to ski Tremblant during mid-season.  Only got a taste visiting a friend in early Dec a while back.
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LMAO!!  So true!
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