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Ausable, here is a review from a couple of years ago.  We have moved on to Gore but for downstate families, Belleayre has a lot going for it.

http://forum.nyskiblog.com/Belleayre-Mountain-Ski-Center-NY-2-23-14-tp4037268.html

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To the Supporters of the Belleayre Resort at Catskill Park;
 
Last Friday we received some very good news and would like to share it with all our friends and supporters.  Below is the Press Release we issued that explains it all. THANK YOU all again for all you’ve done to help us reach this milestone.
 
PRESS RELEASE ISSUED JULY 10TH:

The future of the Belleayre Resort at Catskill Park received a huge boost on Friday July 10th when NYS DEC Commissioner Joseph Martens issued a decision officially ending the adjudicatory process holding up the release of a Final Environmental Impact Statement of the Resort project.  The Commissioner’s action confirms that all potential adverse effects associated with Crossroads’ plans have been addressed and mitigated, thus clearing the way for final staff action and the issuance of the necessary DEC permits for resort construction.
 
The project’s managing partner, Dean Gitter, was elated with the news out of Albany and offered the hope that, with completion of construction plans and project financing by spring of 2016, ground breaking could commence by the middle of next year.  “This project,” said Gitter,  “will provide an enormous and almost immediate boost to the economy of the region.  With a groundbreaking, construction workers – both local and coming from the greater Hudson Valley region – will begin earning and spending money here.  With completion, hundreds of resort related jobs, with salaries ranging from $25,000 to $150,000 will become available”.
 
Gitter added that “it’s taken what seems like a lifetime to get this far with the project, and I can only thank my partners, Emily Fisher and Ken Pasternak, from the bottom of my heart, for their determination and patience to stick this effort out and do something really meaningful for the revitalization of the Central Catskills”.  He indicated that Martens’ signature recognizes that every imaginable environmental concern about the project, has been considered and addressed in a meaningful way.  Gitter also said that the DEC Belleayre Ski Center Unit Management Plan, which was analyzed in tandem with its own Environmental Impact Statement, allowed officials to look at the cumulative impact of both projects on the environment.  Improvements to the Belleayre Ski Center simultaneously with the construction of the Belleayre Resort could expand the Ski Center’s capacity to 325,000 skier visits a year – more than a two-fold increase over the present usage.
 
Gitter also lauded the hundreds of businesses and individuals in the region who supported his efforts on the project.  “These people have waited a long, long time to see their communities revitalized, and DEC’s decision would not have happened without their support,” said Gitter.  “After 15 years of study, the generation of thousands of pages of expert testimony, exhaustive public hearings, input from hundreds of respondents, detailed analysis by several layers of DEC staff, and finally a review by the Commissioner himself,” continued Gitter, “the longest and most detailed examination of any proposed development in the history of New York State, is finally nearing a conclusion”.
 
Now that Commissioner Martens has concluded his review of the project, the DEC’s Region 3 Permit Bureau can finalize and issue a Final Environmental Impact Statement together with a Findings Statement and permits for the project.   Gitter said permits could be issued in as little as a few weeks.  Thereafter the planning boards of Shandaken and Middletown can conclude their review of the project and issue building and special use permits allowing the project to break ground.
 
Overall the project is expected to cost over $360 million to construct and will employ, after full buildout, some 750 workers.  Gitter concluded:  “As we said from the very beginning, over 15 years ago, the Belleayre Resort project will be a model of environmental responsibility, serving as a catalyst, the motor that drives the revitalization of year round tourism and the quality of life for those who live in and visit our Catskill mountains and forest preserve.  I’m happy to say that we are much closer to realizing that vision”.
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750 jobs added seems way too optimistic.  

It is good to see this approved.  That part of the Catskills is sorely lacking for decent lodging.  Can they compete for some of the Govs investment giveaway?
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too many rules were bent to make this happen. job numbers are pie in the sky. don't trust dean.

/rant
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ml242 wrote
too many rules were bent to make this happen. job numbers are pie in the sky. don't trust dean.
/rant
I haven't dug into this project to the extent that I have with Big Tupper, but ML's skepticism is well warranted.
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ML aren't you a big Belleyre supporter?  It's not my cup of tea but I see where it fits into the market for intermediate accessible day trip skiing.

Why exactly are you against this?

I've only been there once for a race but it seems to me that that General area really needs decent lodging and economic development.  

The knock against Tupper is that it is in the middle of nowhere and the plus always brought up for Bellerye is how close it is to NYC.  To me it seems many of you guys are just anti development.
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Coach Z wrote
ML aren't you a big Belleyre supporter?  It's not my cup of tea but I see where it fits into the market for intermediate accessible day trip skiing.

Why exactly are you against this?

I've only been there once for a race but it seems to me that that General area really needs decent lodging and economic development.  

The knock against Tupper is that it is in the middle of nowhere and the plus always brought up for Bellerye is how close it is to NYC.  To me it seems many of you guys are just anti development.
You cannot satisfy everybody.

In addition to being 130 miles from Times Square, it is a 4 hour trip from northern Philadelphia suburbs. That means most of NJ is within 4 hours or less, too. This will add another great option for slope side lodging in the Catskills. There will be a nice expansion of ski terrain and people will stay overnight. The overnight visits will help steady the support businesses and will help expand summer visits. Owners will use their units all year. Plattekill will also benefit from the increase in overnight visits.

This will be a great help to an area of the Catskills that needs economic help.
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I am a skeptic of 'this', I don't like big resort projects. They keep the bodies on the hill and don't seem to spread the wealth to me. The point of Belle was to have an affordable winter recreation opportunity for ny'ers. Does it need a golf course and convention center and all the other shit to meet that goal? Plus traffic on 28 is going to be even worse now. Well, I like zipping along on the way to Platty and getting stuck behind tons of Toyota Sierra's with summer tires sounds like a bad time.

Want to incorporate HM? go ahead. New snowmaking? sure, why not. Let someone else build some hotels/restaurants though. And there's already a golf course not far (and I'm also anti-Golf I suppose). As far as the lack of lodging goes, I am pretty sure there were more options than the few you saw and have checked out. Might not be all slopeside, but there are options.

As for the rest, if there are rules to prevent development over a certain elevation, stuff like that, why bend the rules? Who benefits? Even more than skiing I like cheap and clean drinking water, our greatest asset in this state. It sets a terrible precedent that the rich and powerful can do what they want, lie, push back the goalposts, and we just have to deal with it always. Fuck that.
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also, if you want to expand the mission to providing training for Olympic sports or something like that, fine. But economic development seems to benefit a few in this instance more than the whole. Ski resorts just look like Stadium deals a bit to me, maybe the govt shouldn't be involved rather than digging in further?

ie. PRIVATIVE PROFITS, SOCIALIZE DEBTS

(not my debts, of course)
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Kind of what I figured.  You like The ski area and the roads there less crowded.  I'll venture a guess that you side country ski on the old HM trails and this would impact your private playground.
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