Big Tupper: Will it ever be financially viable?

Here is the article:
ADE link

The title and the first 3 paragraphs:

"ACR still needs to file for permits

TUPPER LAKE — Developer Tom Lawson told the local planning board last week that the Adirondack Club and Resort was close to securing necessary permits from the state Department of Environmental Conservation and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. However, both agencies said they had not yet received permit applications as of Thursday.

The developers of the ACR, a planned 6,200-acre luxury housing development, have been working on obtaining the approval of the Army Corps and the DEC to construct Pond Road, which would run 5.5 miles from the Lake Simond Road extension to the 1,200-acre Moody Pond lot, the development’s largest parcel, and 17 other “great camp” building lots.

“DEC recently met with representatives of the Adirondack Club and Resort Project to discuss their permit application but we have not received a permit application at this time,” DEC spokesman David Winchell wrote in an email."

Army Corp permit info:
"Jim D’Ambrosio, spokes-man for the Army Corps’ New York District, said the agency has also been in talks with developers but has not received an application.

“Here’s the basics: Currently, we do not have an application for the permit on the project, not yet,” he said. “But we do have a request for a jurisdictional determination on a portion of the Adirondack Club and Resort site.”

D’Ambrosio said the agency conducted a site visit in June 2016.

“We reviewed the aquatic resources, and we’re waiting for additional information that we requested from the applicant based on the site visit so we can complete our work,” he said."


Maybe I am missing some important information, but it looks like Tom Lawson lied to the planning board about securing the needed permits.  What a surprise...................

Mis typed the date of the fact checked ADE article, should have been 1/7/17 not1/7/16.  Although if you look back to the TL Free Press there was an article on 1/6/16 where Lawson went to the Planning Board and said pretty much the exact same thing. Maybe he though no one would remember? And in late March of 2016 the Planning Board specifically asked the developers lawyer if they had sent in the applications and he told them they hadn't. The Boards in Tupper have consumed way to much Kool Aid, they won't even question the ACR guys about this, mark my words.

Lawson should give it up and get a job in the new White House.

Sad thing to see. They should turn it into a BC hub and also develop the steep side back mountain.

How is the snowpack looking at Big Tupper?

http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/opinion/editorials/2017/05/cause-for-celebration-in-tupper-lake/?platform=hootsuite

Finally, we have some good news to report about the Adirondack Club and Resort, long in the works for Tupper Lake.

Preserve Associates, the group behind the ACR, finally sealed the deal to purchase 5,800 acres of land it plans to sell as “great camp” building lots — 13 years after entering into a purchase agreement with the Oval Wood Dish Corporation Liquidating Trust back in 2004. Buyers would have access to resort amenities such as Big Tupper Ski Area and a marina on Big Tupper Lake, both of which the developers already own. Other features of the resort, if built as planned, would include ski-in-ski-out townhouses, a 60-room hotel and an equestrian center.

Developers also paid off more than $100,000 in back property taxes, which prevents Franklin County from foreclosing on the land they already owned.

They also seem to be making progress with getting environmental permits to build a road to the great camp lots. The U.S. Army Corps on Engineers reports that it is processing a permit application for the road.

It seems like a logjam has been broken. We sure hope so.

Tupper Lakers are cheering and breathing a sigh of relief. Developers had been saying for three years they had sales agreements for lots, and for two years were stuck on getting the road permits. Local people hadn’t seen anything happening. Before last week, the last real piece of good news on the ACR came two years ago, when golf legend Greg Norman signed on with the ACR.

In the interim, we had to report on developments that didn’t look promising for the ACR’s prospects: back taxes, delays and numerous local permit extensions. Tupper Lakers, including local officials and business people, started to speak openly about not waiting on the resort. They’d be happy for it, they said, but if it never happens, they’d move on with their own plans.

We’re not yet sure how the breakthrough was funded — the developers haven’t spoken to reporters so far — but we’re glad it was. Obviously there’s still a long road ahead on this, but at least now the developers own the land they plan to sell. And once they do that, they’ll have money to invest in building out the resort, including rehabilitating Big Tupper Ski Area. That will mean jobs for local people, money flowing through town, opportunity for local businesses and a sense of optimism returned to this tight-knit community at the “Crossroads of the Adirondacks.”

Plenty of warts on this but I'm rooting for the folks of Tupper to benefit from this.

Ditto Coach. Yeah, don't hold your breath, they still don't have any $$$$s and it's still a house of cards. Reliable sources indicate that no real money changed hands in the land purchase and that the owners are holding the mortgage. And still no needed permits issued that are needed before any work can start.

Why is this an editorial piece? It reads like a press release. I love how this editorial/opinion piece mentions the all but now dead Big Tupper as if it is only a few turns of the wrench from being back in operation. What a sad joke.

If the developer ever actually takes possession of the great camp land and manages to get the road approved and built (how are they going to build a road with no money?), they might sell some of the the 20 or so great camp sites. Once they accumulate enough money from the sale of the great camp sites they will flee.

After the nuclear holocaust, al that will be left are cockroaches and dreams of great camps around Tupper lake.

At this point, we need to drive a stake through the heart of this thing, chop it's head off, and burn it with a strong gasoline fire.

x10003q wrote

raisingarizona wrote

 Still, the location and lack of natural snow sounds like a bummer.

You forgot lack of terrain.
So, to be clear, lack of natural snow, lack of terrain, bad location, no snowmaking. Are we really wondering why BT is closed?

Anybody seen Greg Norman lately?



On his way to SLK?

He should play the bad guy in the next Bond film with that look.


Hmmmmmmm...........maybe that's it. Tupper will have a complex deep underneath it that will be the headquarters of Norman's world domination force. He'll finally take revenge upon the world for mocking him after his Masters choke.

He won't need an underground complex, he can just bid on the Developers house that is under foreclosure again. Sale date for Auction is 6/28/17 at the Franklin county courthouse in Malone. Last time the Bank was foreclosing for about $720K (1/13) but this time it's only looking for $594K or so. What a deal. You won't see this in the local papers but it is posted conspicuously in the Bank in Tupper and the post office.

Dude, no offense to the people of Tupper and surrounding area, but there ain't nobody up there who sees those two notices that can afford a half million for some downstater's fantasy house in black fly country. Teddy Roosevelt is long gone. The equivilant of that wealth flies around in private jets, like Norman, to Aspen and the Hamptons.

Benny go back to toking and leave the folks of Tupperware some hope things could get better.  Unless Orda is going to step in there are no other white knights on the horizon.

Coach Z wrote

Benny go back to toking and leave the folks of Tupperware some hope things could get better.  Unless Orda is going to step in there are no other white knights on the horizon.

I doubt Pratt knows where Tupper is.

Pretty widely talked about that the Gondi at WF was the straw the broke Tuppers back.  It would make way more sense for Orda to take over Tupper than some little area down in the Catskills.  The Gov can then build another Gondi where it might actually do some good compared to the one no one wants s at Belleryre.