Greek Peak Conditions

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Dougski Dougski
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A little disappointed? More like highly disappointed here. That thing has been rusting out on Alpha for two winters. Another year of rusting is going to do it no good, not to mention that skiers ask why there is a junkyard over there. It looks like crap. It takes up space. And chair 3 will now be 50, yes 50, years old this year. It's an archaic junky chair that would have been replaced if we really cared about about growing the sport with new boarders and skiers. Even previously bankrupt places in south central Pa have multi speed beginner chairs installed 20 and 30 years ago. A friend of mine who enjoyed his stay last January commented on how dated Greek looks these days in comparison. He was a long time Greek skier who moved south and hadn't skied here in 20 years but is retiring soon. He's got deep pockets and would be the kind of customer who'd buy a condo and seasons passes. But he noticed the slow, dated lifts, the dissembled pile of metal next to Alpha, the potholed parking lot, missing lights, and abandoned A frame lodge. He asked me if the place was financially viable.

What would you say to this guy?
campgottagopee campgottagopee
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I'd say that he's correct. The years of neglect certainly show. I'd remind him to look at the other hills in CNY and make his choice from there. If he likes hills in PA or the Cats better then that's where he should ski. I'll stick with the best terrain in CNY and applaud whatever yearly improvements we get as it's been a while since we've had them.

That's what I'd say.

What did you say?
Dougski Dougski
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Basically that Greek has better terrain  and new owners are making improvements as they can afford them, after years of capital neglect.

He was surprised that new owners didn't replace management with new blood after bankruptcy.

He wasn't impressed too much with the bulk of the private homes and condos across the street..... more old and dated buildings of average, at best, construction quality. His opinion is that the place needs millions in hill investments to compete for long run. He's from DC and compares Greek not to Lab and Song, but Bristol, Whiteface, Gore, Camelback, Liberty, Whitetail, Timberline WV and Snowshoe WV. They are all about the same drive time for him. He also compares CNY economically to all the places he's lived, and thinks it's stuck in a long term slide in both population and income, which to him means that Greek has to attract more skiers from DC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, NJ & NYC, Richmond VA, because the local population and incomes are not increasing much.

We talked quite a bit about Greek. He loved the terrain and empty slopes, but the empty slopes and lift situation worries him when he talks about buying a home here. I can see his point of view...
campgottagopee campgottagopee
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Completely agree that there's much that needs to be done at our beloved. I still would remind your friend that it took 50 years to run the place into the ground. It will take some time to get her back, but, we are moving in that direction.

I don't know why anyone would hit GP if Gore / WF are the same distance away. You can't compare northern NY hills to us. Can't be done.
Rj1972 Rj1972
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Camp is correct in that nothing competes with Greek Peak in the region (or south through the Pocono's) in terms of the variety of terrain it has. The uncrowded slopes and lack of lift lines keep us at the place, albeit we seem to be spending more and more time elsewhere.

John Meir has now owned Greek Peak for about seven years, and while the improvements made the first year stood out compared with other years, he continues to incrementally invest in the resort. I am a little concerned that they purchased a used lift from Windham, and it's going to sit in Parkathon for yet another year rusting when they truly could have used it, but it is what it is. As Camp indicated, we don't even know what this ski season will even look like.
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Since we are now printing money and giving it away maybe GP can get millions every year like WF & Gore.

Wouldn't that be sweet.
Rj1972 Rj1972
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Greek Peak did apply, and received stimulus funds, so that should help somewhat.
Dougski Dougski
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He skis Greek over others also  because of drive time and he visits friends and family around here.

He thinks current owners investment has stalled and incremental improvements are not sufficient.  Again lifts and dumpy appearance  concern him. And small suv swallowing potholes in parking lot. Which I find silly.
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Dougski wrote
He thinks current owners investment has stalled and incremental improvements are not sufficient.  Again lifts and dumpy appearance  concern him. And small suv swallowing potholes in parking lot. Which I find silly.
I can't say that I disagree.

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Rj1972 wrote
Dougski wrote
He thinks current owners investment has stalled and incremental improvements are not sufficient.  Again lifts and dumpy appearance  concern him. And small suv swallowing potholes in parking lot. Which I find silly.
I can't say that I disagree.
I don't think anyone would disagree until the money comes from their pocket. Coming from zero improvements, as a local, I'll gladly take all the improvements they put out there. I'm not going anywhere soon. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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