Opinions on Blizzard Quattro 8.4 Ti?

Queue MC to give me shit in 3....2....1....’Ahhh.....Jump Turn Guy, you are Garbage!’  

I've thought the same thing myself which is why I've always stayed away from twin tips. However I'm kind of curious to know what they're downhill performance would be like (The K2 Seth or Marksman for ex.)
I'm sure they will not compare to the Blizzards that I had originally posted however I'm wondering if they would actually be a bad idea for downhill carving or would it just take some getting used to on my part?
I don't know because I've never ridden a pair but I feel like they would be a blast to have on.

Z wrote

My input is that twin tips are not designed for carving performance.  They have to be built to sustain repeated impacts and pounding of the park.  These are not performance related skis because that is not their intended mission.

I love going backwards, haha I do it all the time now on my Rossi flat bottoms.

Not for nuthin’.....but I’d ask Z, why lock yourself into a ski that can mostly do one thing well, when you can get a ski that does many things well?  The grail is the ultimate quiver of one!  Yeah, from the purest carving standpoint you might sacrifice a little (and just a little), but the mountain is a big, fun place.....

To each his own, I guess...

I have the Billy goats and the old enforcers.  When I am going backwards things have gone horribly wrong.  

From a carving perspective, with the asym sudecut, the Marksman transition so well from edge to edge.  Best carving feeling I’ve had on a ski in a long time, pure uninterrupted rail.  Granted, it’s been a while since I’ve been on an 84mm pure carver.....

JTG4eva! wrote

Queue MC to give me shit in 3....2....1....’Ahhh.....Jump Turn Guy, you are Garbage!’

Maybe if you didn't recommend one pair of skis to every person who asked for ski help, you'd have more credibility?

We get it. You like the pair of skis you bought.

That doesn't mean that they're the best choice for a dude looking for a frontside carver.

Right.....but everyone I’ve recommended them to who asked about a front side carver wasn’t necessarily looking for a pure front side carver!  Those who have asked about frontside carvers have also asked about skis that are good in the bumps (not a stong point of many frontside carvers) and can do other shit.  I’d think you’d be a fan of diversity, given your demonstrated proclivities....Really, why do you always have a hard time with me presenting an alternative pov?  It’s downright creepy!  Everyone here is a big boy, and can sort through what they consider noise without your help.

Just my 2 cents and not to ruffle any feathers... there are some great all mountain twin tips that excel outside of the park so I wouldn’t count them out completely. The past few years I bit the wider ski bug and skied the faction candide 2.0 at 102 waist which held up in all but the hardest/iciest of days. End of last year got a directional 86mm waisted ski that bridges that gap for hard charging on the groomers, but felt limited in the “ditch-banging” and side hit area. If you’re skiing all groomers every day, go with the choices given previously. But if you want to have some fun on a ski that can handle carving as well, look into some 90-100mm waisted all mountain twins.

JTG4eva! wrote

...Really, why do you always have a hard time with me...  It’s downright creepy!

The creepiest thing is your understanding of our conversations on this forum.

Try here:
http://www.levelninesports.com/secret-stash?

Hey guys, sorry for the delayed response...

This past week I managed to come across a few different options online that look like park skis/all mountain and fall into the twin tip category.
1) ON3P Wrenegade
2) Fischer nightstick
3) Head Framewall

All three of these skis seem awesome and had pretty good reviews in terms of stiffness and durability. Of the 3 I'm leaning most towards the wrenegade.

Does anyone have any opinions on any of these skis? It's tough to drop $700 on skis without even trying them first, but hopefully I can at least get some opinions here.

Thanks,
Brad

I don't know any of those skis. But if you're going to spend 7 + bills, that seems pretty close to top dollar. I'd go to an onslope ski shop, talk to the guy and demo some skis. They will put the demo price toward purchasing a pair of skis. Shouldn't be much more than 700 and you get peace of mind of having demoed first.

BMK10 wrote

Hey guys, sorry for the delayed response...

This past week I managed to come across a few different options online that look like park skis/all mountain and fall into the twin tip category.
1) ON3P Wrenegade
2) Fischer nightstick
3) Head Framewall

All three of these skis seem awesome and had pretty good reviews in terms of stiffness and durability. Of the 3 I'm leaning most towards the wrenegade.

Does anyone have any opinions on any of these skis? It's tough to drop $700 on skis without even trying them first, but hopefully I can at least get some opinions here.

Thanks,
Brad

ON3P is always at the Alta Demo Day in April.  I came across a ON3P demo tent at MRG by chance a few years ago.  Checked out the Jesse, which is the only model they make short enough for a petite woman.

My good friend loves his ON3P skis.  He is over 60, 6'2" and over 290 lbs.  Don't remember the model.  When he was demo'ing the ON3P skis several years ago, he got more adventurous than he should have and dis-located a shoulder.  Bought the skis when he got home any way.  Also went on a tour of the factory (he lives in south Oregon) during the off-season.  He's my classmate from North Country School.  He learned to ski back in the 1960s and was an advanced skier by middle school.  Home mountain is Mt. Ashland and he skis Mt. Bachelor pretty regularly too.

For what it's worth, there was strong support for ON3P skis on EpicSki 2012-17.  Durability was a factor.

Okay!! Now it looks like you've got a list of fun skis.

I've heard good things about the Wrenegade.

I'd open up my search to 4FRNT & J Skis, too (if you're still looking online). Something like the 4FRNT MSP 99 of the J Skis Allplay is similar to the Wrenegade & maybe a bit cheaper.

Alternatively, I'd go to a Demo Day as marcski suggests, and find out what kind of skis you really want for the skiing you'll be doing.

the-house.com has the Nightsticks on sale.  $358 in 172cm, $323 in 181cm.  Well suited to the park.

As is the Frame Wall.  Freeze Pro Shops has them in 176 for $341.61.  No shipping, no tax.  Yes, they are overseas, but I’ve used them numerous times (that’s where I bought my Marksman) and they are really good.

The Wrenegade is touted by ON3P as a Freeride Directional Charger.  Not really a twin tip, and seems more suited to big mountain skiing than the park.  I’d be tempted to say the Marksman would be a better choice (and cheaper) than the Wrenegade for what you want to do, but I don’t want to upset MC.  Then again, now it seems MC agrees that a wider ski with a bi-radius sidecut is a fun ski.  Go figure!

JTG4eva! wrote

.  I’d be tempted to say the Marksman would be a better choice (and cheaper) than the Wrenegade for what you want to do, but I don’t want to upset MC.

Nah, dude, keep recommending the same ski to everyone over and over and over again. You're doing great.

I think you are going in the right direction if you are looking for a one ski quiver, however you may want to pay closer attention to the turning radius.  Those wrenegade should be put to the side, They have a 26 turning radius. I don't know as much as some but seems you are going to want something in the 14/18 range.  They will turn quicker on groomers edge to edge allowing you to keep your skis in check.  You start railing those 26's  you are going to be going fast fast fast.   Probably all wood construction to give you a little more flex/forgiveness.  No metal.

MC2 5678F589 wrote

You're doing great.

Yeah, I know.  Thanks!!

For the record, I’ve only recommended the Marksman twice, to two people.  So put down the Viagra and dispense with the “everyone, over and over and over” histrionics.  We wouldn’t want someone to share info on a ski they’ve actually skied, one that will do everything (and more) that people were looking for.  That would be crazy!  You are doing much better there, recommending a ski (Allplay) that you haven’t skied.....oh, and seems just like the ski I recommended.  What a tool you are!

In this case I just pointed out the Marksman (hey, the Allplay, too) would be a better choice than the Wrenegade.  Very different skis.  How you can recommend them both in the same post is baffling for someone that is knowledgeable about skiing.

TJ....for 2019 they added a 96, with a turning radius of 22.4 at 174cm.  Better, but I agree the Wrenegade is an outlier for what he’s looking for.  Still more freeride charger than versatile jib ski.