I heard a Magic rumor at Stratton this weekend..

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Saratogahalfday Saratogahalfday
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I heard a Magic rumor at Stratton this weekend..

A long time Stratton passholder, who joined me in the long URSA line on Saturday, told be she heard that Magic was buying one of Stratton's older triples.  She said they were going to copter it over the Magic this summer, I assume to replace the black chair.

It certainly sounded feasible, but I haven't heard any smoke regarding this the entire winter.  

Has anyone heard anything?
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I can check it out.
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Stratton is replacing the 1986 Poma Snow Bowl Quad with a Doppelmayr HSQ.

This means they are likely relocating it to replace their 1977 Borvig Tamarack Triple rather than just scrapping it and Magic wants to buy that one.

The Tamarack lift is 3500 feet long while Black is about 5000 feet long so they'd need a new haulrope.  To utilize the existing drive they'd run less chairs.  They'd also need to acquire some more towers or have Partek fabricate new ones.
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I checked this rumor at the top, this is not happening.
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That's a bummer I suppose.  Having 2 lifts rolling all winter is a must for future Magic.
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Pure speculation: Another lift is on their mind, maybe they are trying to rack up a few profitable years before taking on more debt?

I'd like to interview Geoff this summer.

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I asked one of my contacts who really knows his s*it about everything lifts, and he says that trying to rebuild the 82 Borvig Green and keep the one of a kind from the 60's Black going makes no sense.  There are serviceable nicer lifts that they could've had for free.

Stratton's SnowBowl Quad and Windham's Whistler Triple are in very good condition mechanically but are being replaced by new detachables, and could potentially be given away to some small local ski areas for free if they are not reused within their current homes.
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snoloco wrote
I asked one of my contacts who really knows his s*it about everything lifts, and he says that trying to rebuild the 82 Borvig Green and keep the one of a kind from the 60's Black going makes no sense.  There are serviceable nicer lifts that they could've had for free.

Stratton's SnowBowl Quad and Windham's Whistler Triple are in very good condition mechanically but are being replaced by new detachables, and could potentially be given away to some small local ski areas for free if they are not reused within their current homes.
I seriously doubt that either of those areas would give the lifts away for "free". They are not charitable organizations and as a minimum the lifts have scrap value. Not that they wouldn't possible give a volunteer run area some old equipment but Stratton would definitely not give a lift to a for profit competitor that you can see from their slopes. They may make a deal where, if they removed the lift, they could have it, but the cost of removal would have to be equivalent to the lift value.

As far as "old" lifts go; I have sold large process machinery for 30+ years. This also includes retrofitting and upgrading older equipment as old as 50 years old. Lifts may be big but are not terribly complicated machines. If there is no rust in the towers that would weaken them, parts can be replaced and upgraded. That can include new drives and safety sensors to meet current standards. There are many 50+ year old Halls that are still running fine today. The first chairlift I ever rode 47 yrs ago is still running fine today.
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It's quite common for larger ski areas to essentially give away old equipment to smaller ones (that they don't compete with) for pennies on the dollar.

I know for a fact that my previous statement is true.

While there are many 50 year old Hall lifts out there, there are so many that there's a market for support and spare parts for them.  The Black Chair is one of a kind and there are no spare parts available unless custom made, and every band aid fix they do on it, it breaks again.  It's time to stop throwing good money after bad and just totally give up on that lift and replace with a serviceable used lift that would pay for itself in a year with all the money they've spent on the Black Chair and lost business from having to limit ticket sales when it's down.

The Green Chair is salvageable.  Borvig lifts are under Partek support.  But it's the only contractor that can totally bring it back.  It hasn't operated for over 20 years (was Betwixed lift at Stratton) and it's still probably cheaper to replace with a lift that was removed a year or two ago.
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snoloco wrote
It's quite common for larger ski areas to essentially give away old equipment to smaller ones (that they don't compete with) for pennies on the dollar.

I know for a fact that my previous statement is true.

While there are many 50 year old Hall lifts out there, there are so many that there's a market for support and spare parts for them.  The Black Chair is one of a kind and there are no spare parts available unless custom made, and every band aid fix they do on it, it breaks again.  It's time to stop throwing good money after bad and just totally give up on that lift and replace with a serviceable used lift that would pay for itself in a year with all the money they've spent on the Black Chair and lost business from having to limit ticket sales when it's down.

The Green Chair is salvageable.  Borvig lifts are under Partek support.  But it's the only contractor that can totally bring it back.  It hasn't operated for over 20 years (was Betwixed lift at Stratton) and it's still probably cheaper to replace with a lift that was removed a year or two ago.
I agree that ski areas give away old equipment to community areas. Those are their feeder hills and they get a write-off in most cases as the areas are nonprofits. But they do not give away chairlifts to for profit ski areas.
I think the owners of Magic know that they need a new lift to replace Black. But they also saw previous owners go broke. They are making improvements but conservatively. At the time they calculated the cost to fix black as the best option given the limited capital that they had and the other capital  projects needed at the time. Hindsight is 20/20 vision but regardless, I seriously doubt that a new chair was an option at the time.
By the way; Have you ever even skied there?
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