WC Downhill at Whiteface?

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WC Downhill at Whiteface?

snoloco
Not normally a fan of closing lots of terrain to accommodate a race, but in following the preparation for the event at Killington, I decided to try and design an event for my home mountain.

I designed a WC downhill route that starts on Approach, crosses Mountain Run onto Upper Parkway, and then continues down Thruway to Draper's and ends just below the Tower 10 hill on Fox.  The flat spot there is big enough to accommodate all the amenities at the finish.  It is 1.35 miles long and has a 2,060 vertical drop.  Average grade is 29%.  This is quite similar to the Birds of Prey course at Beaver Creek.

The course would cross under the LWF and Mountain Run lifts, which would both need to be shuttered during the event, but they don't normally open by early December anyways when the circuit is in North America.  The gondola and Facelift would be unaffected, and public skiing could take place on all the normal terrain for that time of year.  The only difference would be that everyone would need to be funneled down Brookside instead of the Tower 10 hill as the finish would be there.  Snowmaking capacity would need to be doubled to cover all the terrain early season.

As the gondola would be open, it could provide spectator access to the start, and people skiing that day might get to ride it with the athletes.  Not sure if the FIS allows that, but it would be pretty cool.

I've lived in New York my entire life.
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raisingarizona
The one cool thing about race events is that it often brings a snow storm.

And a DH race is just super bad ass too. I totally appreciate the skills of the slalom racers but I'm way more of a fan of DH.

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Coach Z
Sno you know nothing about races and openly dislike racers.  He has gone from posting insesently about something he actually knew about lifts and MC to annoyingly too much about something he knows so little about the Daks.  Good grief but I almost miss the posts about MC in comparison.

Approach and the connection to parkway are way too narrow and approach is too flat for a DH.  WF has a FIS approved Super G on Parkway thru to finish below the normal finish area about halfway down Fox.  They ran a NorAm SG on it last spring.  It was awesome to watch.

The DH from the summit no longer meets FIS requirements and it pretty much shuts the whole Mt down.  Last used around 2001 for US Champs.  They no longer run a DH for Champs just a SG.

"It is better to go skiing and think of God, than go to church and think of sport."
Artic Explorer Fridtjof Nansen
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snoloco
Z, you misinterpreted my earlier comments.  I never said I disliked all people who race.  Not even close.  I was friends with some of the members of the ski team at my high school, and skied with them on the rare days they didn't have training.  If you recall, I even considered joining at one point, but decided against it because I have very little race experience, as well as my previous frustrations that I expressed with the way Mountain Creek held races.  There are 4 "peaks" there, and they frequently closed almost everything on the peak all the way to skier's left, even when they were only racing on one trail.  They did this on the busiest day of the season last year, causing half hour lift lines on the other lift in the base area.  My comments about the teams making a mess of the lodge are also specific to MC, as I didn't have this issue at other mountains I skied at.

I've lived in New York my entire life.
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campgottagopee
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Coach Z wrote
 

The DH from the summit no longer meets FIS requirements
Didin't know that Coach --- why is that?

Hey Sno -- in case you didn't know this they had the Olympics at WF so I think they know the best way down the hill for the racers. I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel in your short stay there.

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Coach Z
campgottagopee wrote
Coach Z wrote
 

The DH from the summit no longer meets FIS requirements
Didin't know that Coach --- why is that?

Hey Sno -- in case you didn't know this they had the Olympics at WF so I think they know the best way down the hill for the racers. I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel in your short stay there.
My understanding is that the trail width is not wide enough on the exit of Victoria, on Broadway, and in the section where it needs to run under the mid station lodge.   It also takes a ton of man power to set up for a down hill.  Last one we ran in 2001 it was all hands on deck for weeks to get it ready.  The netting on the upper section probably does not meet current standards as well.  FIS has to come in and certify the course every 5 years - a process called homologation.

Classic WC downhills like Wegen are grandfathered in and I thought WF was not but I just checked and apparently this October FIS came in and approved the upper MT courses for a WC DH and SG.  Very interesting as this was not approved in the last go round to my knowledge.  Wonder if they are planning something now that WC's in the East are a thing again.

https://data.fis-ski.com/alpine-skiing/homologations.html?place=Whiteface+Mountain%2C+NY&discipline=&nat=&gender=&homid=1495&type=DET§or=&valid=1

it would likely mean they have to have a plan to pad the living crap out of any narrow spot where they would set a jump or bend in the course.

"It is better to go skiing and think of God, than go to church and think of sport."
Artic Explorer Fridtjof Nansen
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raisingarizona
In reply to this post by campgottagopee
campgottagopee wrote
Hey Sno -- in case you didn't know this they had the Olympics at WF so I think they know the best way down the hill for the racers. I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel in your short stay there.
Sno-local bro.

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Re: WC Downhill at Whiteface?

campgottagopee
raisingarizona wrote
campgottagopee wrote
Hey Sno -- in case you didn't know this they had the Olympics at WF so I think they know the best way down the hill for the racers. I wouldn't go reinventing the wheel in your short stay there.
Sno-local bro.
Dude, you should know it takes more than 4 years and the internet to become local

Until TJ, SJ, HDP, Pants, or Noah John say he's local he ain't local

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campgottagopee
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NICE!!! I hope they're planning on WC back there. If so I'mm sure we'll try and get up there. A few years ago we hit it when NorAm's were there and we had a friggin blast. If they run the DH --- WHOA!! That would be wicked cool to check out.

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Re: WC Downhill at Whiteface?

snoloco
If they use the DH course from the summit, what is the impact on public terrain?

The route pretty much cuts the place in half, so I assume that means the only public skiing could be in the Mountain Run area.  The route I suggested was supposed to have minimal impact on public terrain, but it looks like it wouldn't pass homologation.

I've lived in New York my entire life.
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