Alterra interested in Jay, VR is not

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riverc0il riverc0il
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marznc wrote
Would families in Ottawa really want to drive all the way to Jay for the tram and the waterpark during the winter, instead of going to Tremblant or Mt. Ste. Anne?
Absolutely. They might even drive that far despite the tram and waterpark. I certainly do.

I am not familiar with the exact number Jay gets, but I know Smuggs gets a huge influx of families from Ottawa/Ontario during their vacation week. I am sure Jay gets some of that as well, it is just much more noticeable at Smuggs... probably because I talk to a lot more people on Smuggs's doubles whereas I keep to myself a bit more on Jay's lifts. MSA is further away than Jay and Jay gets more than double the natural snowfall of Tremblant...
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riverc0il wrote
marznc wrote
Would families in Ottawa really want to drive all the way to Jay for the tram and the waterpark during the winter, instead of going to Tremblant or Mt. Ste. Anne?
Absolutely. They might even drive that far despite the tram and waterpark. I certainly do.

I am not familiar with the exact number Jay gets, but I know Smuggs gets a huge influx of families from Ottawa/Ontario during their vacation week. I am sure Jay gets some of that as well, it is just much more noticeable at Smuggs... probably because I talk to a lot more people on Smuggs's doubles whereas I keep to myself a bit more on Jay's lifts. MSA is further away than Jay and Jay gets more than double the natural snowfall of Tremblant...
Is the Ontario vacation week different from the American vacation week?  I could understand that being a reason to cross the border for a family ski vacation.

Silly question . . . is Jay as cold as MSA in Jan-Feb?  I know how cold Lake Placid and Whiteface gets in the winter.  For a family with young kids from Ottawa, cold could be a factor I suppose.
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People probably go for the cloud. It’s real.

I only skied Jay once while I was staying at Smuggs and there had to be twice as much snow at Jay. It was like Utah deep.
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marznc wrote
Is the Ontario vacation week different from the American vacation week?  I could understand that being a reason to cross the border for a family ski vacation.

Silly question . . . is Jay as cold as MSA in Jan-Feb?  I know how cold Lake Placid and Whiteface gets in the winter.  For a family with young kids from Ottawa, cold could be a factor I suppose.
All public schools in Ontario are off about 10 March.

BTW, Ottawa gets just as f'n cold as L.P.
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Anyone know for sure why Jay gets more natural snow?  I'm guessing it's because the jet stream picks up moisture from Lake Champlain and/or the St. Lawrence.  Being the highest peak in the area - boom - you have the snow.
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Harvey Harvey
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There are several factors lining up to help Jay.

The Green Mountain spine runs roughly north-south which, with the prevailing wind, is very good for pulling snow out of the atmosphere.  At the NORTHERN END of the spine it turns a bit to the northeast-southwest which is even better or ideal. (Advantage Stowe, Smuggs, Jay)

Jay has NOTHING really blocking it to the west. It's a monadnock.   (Advantage Jay)

Lake Champlain is up wind. (Advantage Stowe, Smuggs, Jay)

It is far north, so colder and less rain. (Advantage Stowe, Smuggs, Jay)
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for anyone else who wasn;t sure:

Monadnock, isolated hill of bedrock standing conspicuously above the general level of the surrounding area. Monadnocks are left as erosional remnants because of their more resistant rock composition; commonly they consist of quartzite or less jointed massive volcanic rocks. In contrast to inselbergs (island mountains), a similar tropical landform, monadnocks are formed in humid, temperate regions. They take their name from Mt. Monadnock, a solitary mass of rock (3,165 feet [965 metres]) in Monadnock State Park, southeast of Keene, in Cheshire County, southwestern New Hampshire, U.S. A well-known example is Stone Mountain in Georgia, U.S.
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Yea I'm not sure I used the word correctly in this case. I have no idea about the geology of Jay. Still... PowAss be damned, it does stand alone as the snowiest in the east.  Wind is certainly a factor, but on total volume of snow...
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It is far north, so colder and less rain. (Advantage Stowe, Smuggs, Jay)
That may be a key factor for Alterra in terms of adding a location in the northeast.  That plus the fact that Jay has certainly become a 4-season resort.  Having family friendly stuff to do like the waterpark during the winter when it's too cold and windy to ski all day should also be of interest.

When does Jay typically have all the trails open?  Always decent by Christmas?  Thinking about the trails that people who stay on resort would be on most of the time, not steep trees that are fully dependent on natural snow.
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I’m not a geologist, just a map guy.

Jay Peak stands alone as a ski area, separate from other clusters of VT ski areas. Lots of open, relatively flat terrain northwest of it. But it is not a Monadnock. It is obviously part of the Green Mountain spine.  

Ascutney would be a known VT ski area that is a Monadnock.
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