Of course every mt needs snowmaking, every thread needn't discuss it..Extremely annoying.
Tele turns are optional not mandatory.
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Yup. Just trying to be agreeable with everyone. No reason to continue talking about it.
I'll take boilerplate ice over wet snow any day
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It's called climate "change" for a reason..."Change" doesn't mean that every season will be warmer, but rather, we're seeing increasing volatility, with higher highs and lower lows. The quantitative data speaks for itself.
I grew up in Clifton Park (mentioned in this video) on a tract of woods where I cut out my own downhill ski trail that I would ski after school every day...I don't think that's been remotely feasible the past ten years (except 14, and 15). I don't even think you can really categorize 2014 and 2015 as exceptional years, in the grand scheme. That's what winter used to be like out here. Just look at this old video of Jay Peak from fifty years ago. When is the last time you saw it like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrD2O04Cr80 This February pretty much blew away all temperature records across the country. You can call it El Nino, but El Nino is driven, in large part by warm ocean temps, so I cannot help but think that climate change has a role in that too. |
06/07 there was a 5-6' natural base in April. 08/09 was pretty good |
Yeah- no doubt they have had some very good years (not to mention that one year where they had like 600 inches)...but that video blew me away..maybe it's sepia tone nostalgia.
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Here's like 8-10' in the Adirondacks end of march 11
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The one takeaway should be , for all of us skiers and frankly everyone else, it's about time to force the politicians to do something about climate change. No more lies that it isn't happening , no more equivalency of argument when 97% of the climate and weather scientists from around the world agree. The argument over where it is happening is over. It's time to get real.
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I agree 100% lets get those pigs to increase snowmaking 100 % across all NYS owned ski resorts. That is the best way to fight climate change on a local level. VIVA MORE SNOW MAKING!!
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again.....snowmaking? the future of skiing? This shit is adorable.
You all better buckle up, shits likely about to get real in the next 20-30 years. |
What is this some Hollywood movie?
Climate change takes place over hundreds if not thousands of years. That you guys think it's happening over a few years is laughable. It is called weather. Last year at this time it was 10 below zero as I write this. Just because NBC says its so is not true - don't be a sheep.
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Z is right. It will take a long time for "climate change" to end skiing in the east. Hopefully I'll be long dead by the time that happens. For a long time, snowmaking improvements will be able to outgun warm winters.
Contrary to what will probably happen (most ski areas, especially the ORDA mountains do zero capital improvements). This is the summer to do massive upgrades in the snowmaking department. If your mountain skied well this season without the improvements, market it hard that it will be even better with the improvements. You've already got a customer base that's pleased with your operation. They might tell other people to go and bring in even more money. If your mountain skied poorly and had a bunch of terrain that didn't open, announce something like "doubling snowmaking capacity!!!" right when season passes go on sale. This will help to retain customers who might've thought of going elsewhere. I say that after a good year, upgrade lifts/lodges and after a bad year, upgrade snowmaking.
I've lived in New York my entire life.
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Hunter did well
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Snokid,have you ever earned a dollar?
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Yes, I got my first job last spring.
I've lived in New York my entire life.
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Natural Climate change happens over thousands of years. We are experiencing man-made climate change, brought on by many factors but mainly the prolific burning of fossil fuels. The computer models and scientific studies beginning in the 1980's all predicted where we would be by now, increasing temperatures , strange weather patterns. To simply write off the almost universal scientific agreement which is borne out by the actual physical findings is ridiculous. When your blood test says you have an infection and your symptoms correlate to an infection, do you tell the doctor that a demon may have occupied your body?
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show us your data Sno.
I have only been alive for forty years so my observations aren't worth much but it sure seems like things are rapidly changing at this point, snowballing even. I think it's more obvious in the volatile south west. |
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I don't watch tv. I don't think it takes a scientist to make simple observations. The weather is getting weird.
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Northeast snowstorms are getting more severe due to climate change, according to this paper:
https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/what-we-can-and-cant-say-about-arctic-warming-and-us-winters (Sorry for the long quote... Link at the bottom) https://www.sciencenews.org/blog/science-public/what-we-can-and-cant-say-about-arctic-warming-and-us-winters |
When I started skiing back in the late sixties, snowmaking was a fraction of what it is now. Gore Mountain operated without snowmaking until 1977. Still, it was common to plan week long trips to Killington or anywhere north of that. The Catskills were reliably snow covered from late November until April. The poor eastern snow coverage of 1980 was shocking, now it would be just another below average year. New York skiing has devolved from a natural snow experience to hard snow groomers all the time.
I'd say climate change has already wrecked Eastern skiing generally. Even Utah and Colorado are far less reliable than they were 20 years ago. mm
"Everywhere I turn, here I am." Susan Tedeschi
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We definitely are seeing more peaks and valleys in our snow and temps. I think ski areas south of the Albany are definitely a bad investment long term.
I did see recently that solar flair activity is waning and we are now entering a trough off a peak. It runs in 7 year cycles I think it said and this will lower temps over the next 13 years when they will again be peaking.
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