Cost For 70+ Skiers in NYS

Thanks Camp , you 're one really good dude  

I been here all along just staying above the fray in that politcrap shitshow  and focusing on the good stuff we all love . You bout ready to get that sled out and play ? I bet you got that new toy chest ( garage ) just jam packed  with goodies . Happy trails partner

Met Klaus once when he visited  a resort his Sales Mgr A former Austrian olympic skier named Franz Elsigan owned in the Daks back in the 1970's . Franz was a "ski meister " at a few NYS ski areas back in the day

Franz and his wife Jodi used to own a nice place in the Dacks on Fourth Lake near Inlet  and The Queen and i and our kids stayed there several seasons and went waterskiing with he and his wife .

Awesome guys !

MC2 5678F589 wrote

x10003q wrote

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As for the Harv dream of retiring in the NE mountains - you must be kidding. There are only a couple of reasons to stay in the NE for retirement. One reason is family and the other is you have money to burn.

What states do you feel are better for a skier who wants to live within 20 minutes of a ski area? Zero income tax states like Washington or Wyoming? Zero sales tax states like Oregon?

Colorado? Montana? Idaho?

Problem with those places is the high price of real estate. I guess if you're okay taking out a big mortgage in your older years, you're fine, but the barriers to entry seem high.

What is your price limit and are you looking for  - a larger metro area or a smaller town? There are some choices that are not considered resort areas that have decent skiing that can be as close as 20 minutes away.

x10003q wrote

What is your price limit and are you looking for  - a larger metro area or a smaller town? There are some choices that are not considered resort areas that have decent skiing that can be as close as 20 minutes away.

Mid sized town? Like Bend, Oregon 20 years ago, I guess? The town has to be at least big enough to have a grocery store. Bonus if the place has a nice body of water (lake, river, etc.). Places like Bend, Bozeman, Frisco/Silverthorne, and Sandpoint have been pretty booming in the past few years. It'll be interesting to see what changes as a result of the tax law. Not being able to deduct over $10,000 in property taxes might hinder the 2nd home market.

Got good friends in both Bend and Bozeman , worked with them for years . Bozeman  sounds like a damn near ideal location if you are so inclined .to do the West . Beaucoup to do there and good Medical facilities . Our friends always return here  in the summer however for The River which also has a laid back vibe yet relatively close to some great Canadian cities and The Dacks and Laurentians .

MC2 5678F589 wrote

x10003q wrote

What is your price limit and are you looking for  - a larger metro area or a smaller town? There are some choices that are not considered resort areas that have decent skiing that can be as close as 20 minutes away.

Mid sized town? Like Bend, Oregon 20 years ago, I guess? The town has to be at least big enough to have a grocery store. Bonus if the place has a nice body of water (lake, river, etc.). Places like Bend, Bozeman, Frisco/Silverthorne, and Sandpoint have been pretty booming in the past few years. It'll be interesting to see what changes as a result of the tax law. Not being able to deduct over $10,000 in property taxes might hinder the 2nd home market.

Wenatchee, WA is an interesting possibility. Stevens is about 60 miles, Snowqualmie areas are about 100 miles, Mission Ridge (200" snow, 2250'vert, 2000 acres) is about 13 miles, the Columbia River goes right through Wenatchee, and Lake Chelan (huge recreational lake) is about 50 miles north. There are many options for hiking and mountain biking. I was there last summer and I liked the area. It is high desert landscape and weather. It is roughly 3 hours to Seattle. This is the home area to NEPA and I am sure he could provide more info.

Pocatello, Id. I have not been to Pocatello. The local ski area is Pebble Creek (225" snow, 2200' vert, 1100 acres, 20 miles), Grand Targhee is 135 miles, JH is about 142 miles, Powder Mtn is 142 miles, Sun Valley is about 166 miles. It is home to Idaho State.

For a smaller town there is Glenwood Springs. I have only driven through. The local area is Sunlight (250" snow, 2010' vert, 680 acres, 15 miles). Snowmass/Aspen 27 miles, Beaver creek 54 miles, Telluride 205 miles.

If you want larger metro - Spokane, Reno-Carson City, Ogden/SLC, Boise.

The 3 local areas above would all be monster Eastern areas and you can buy affordable, non-resort housing within 20 miles or so.

Good selections, but I don't want to live near nepa , and those snow totals look like Northern VT snow totals.

But thanks, those were good ideas. I've looked at a couple of those places before, but always come back to the same problem: I'd still probably want to ski the big boy area (especially on weekdays), and that means I'd be driving to Stevens or Jackson Hole or Aspen the way I drive past West Mountain to get to Gore, Whiteface & Killington. And after 30 years of driving, I don't want to do that anymore.

I think I might have to move to Interior BC to find what I'm looking for, but the house prices there are going insane, too.

Warp has a good point about Summer in Thousand Islands/the ADKs though. Maybe the best strategy is Summer in New England/NY, seasonal winter rentals in a variety of places until I find one worth putting money down on.

Bingo MC you just gave yourself plan B !

Maintain both financial and geographic flexibility ,. Why ???? attitudes change , you can get bored in one area AND if you have the working jack without making a dent in your principle then  you can be seasonal and change it up on a damn whim .

Keep planning !

Harvey wrote

My question... what is your goal or estimate for your own skiing retirement?

When my body says "no more", I'll hang things up. Since I already live up here, I'll probably move back to the city when I can no longer ski to balance out the retiring skiers moving north.

:)

Kidding aside, one must seriously consider this issue: When you can't ski much any more due to your body, do you really want to still be in the cold and wintery mountains as you continue to age?

If the answer is yes, move north! But for people that just want to ski more when they retire, I think it is worth considering if the lifestyle will still be desired when you are old and crippled and unable to enjoy the best of the mountains yet suffer from the worst of the mountains (i.e. cold, weather, lack of quality nearby medical facilities, etc.).

riverc0il wrote

But for people that just want to ski more when they retire, I think it is worth considering if the lifestyle will still be desired when you are old and crippled and unable to enjoy the best of the mountains yet suffer from the worst of the mountains (i.e. cold, weather, lack of quality nearby medical facilities, etc.).

I guess I would be concerned about this if places with both mountains & close-by amenities didn't exist. Or if the amenities of cities were all they were cracked up to be. Yeah, I guess I'm 3 minutes from Target & the grocery store, but I'm not sure the medical care around here is anything to brag about. One of the best knee places in the world is in a mountain town, right? The one time I had to use a medical facility last year happened to be in the mountains and it turned out that the Magarettville, NY hospital in a snowstorm was fine!

Acute care is not hard to find in the mountains.  But treatment for something chronic, or age related, and searching out 2nd opinions might be difficult.

riverc0il wrote

Kidding aside, one must seriously consider this issue: When you can't ski much any more due to your body, do you really want to still be in the cold and wintery mountains as you continue to age?

Or alternatively, does your WIFE want...

I like the woods and want to be able to walk in them. And nordic skiing may have a later retirement age.

Harvey wrote

riverc0il wrote

Kidding aside, one must seriously consider this issue: When you can't ski much any more due to your body, do you really want to still be in the cold and wintery mountains as you continue to age?

Or alternatively, does your WIFE want...

I like the woods and want to be able to walk in them. And nordic skiing may have a later retirement age.

My wife has made it very clear that she is done freezing her ass off. I hate to admit it, but  I'm leaning in her direction. I just don't find it appealing or fun to ski when it's butt cold and windy and grey out.
That said , skiing in sunny New Mexico was glorious..

I really liked the Inland Northwest region with Schweizer, Silver, Mount Spokane, Lookout, and 49° North, etc. The  conservative culture outside Boulder-like towns Sandpoint and Coeur d'Alene would not be my cup of tea, but that's the deal in any U.S. rural area. I'm curious to hear if Nepa has had any issue with that.

riverc0il wrote

Harvey wrote

My question... what is your goal or estimate for your own skiing retirement?

When my body says "no more", I'll hang things up. Since I already live up here, I'll probably move back to the city when I can no longer ski to balance out the retiring skiers moving north.

:)

Kidding aside, one must seriously consider this issue: When you can't ski much any more due to your body, do you really want to still be in the cold and wintery mountains as you continue to age?

If the answer is yes, move north! But for people that just want to ski more when they retire, I think it is worth considering if the lifestyle will still be desired when you are old and crippled and unable to enjoy the best of the mountains yet suffer from the worst of the mountains (i.e. cold, weather, lack of quality nearby medical facilities, etc.).

Yup. Why I don't live in the mountains. This was argued to me by a good ski friend over beers about ten years ago when I told him that retirement utopia would be close to a good ski hill. Also had a taste of being disabled in a ski town when I got injured a few years ago with a long term lease. Not a good place to be.
But, doesn't help that I'm a road biker, too, and road biking generally sucks in the mountains, and that's a much longer season.

Eventually I'll move to some retirement community in Florida, sell the car, most of my clothes, and sit in the shade and bitch about the heat with the other oldsters, grabbing at the asses of the nurses that walk by with my meds. "Oh, Mr. Profane, stop that!"

Ah those Fla gated communities are not what they proport to be at all. My dad lived in a very "tony" gated community with two golf courses , one a championship venue , the other an executive venue . There were beaucoup tennis , squash , shuffleboard and pickle ball courts .The club house and pool area was spectacular .

BUT : the vibe there was like the worst part of high school you can ever remember. Too many anal retentive cliques  each with their OCD structure and ambiance and behaviors . There were also the Garbage Nazis , The Lawn care Nazi's , the Social club Nazi's , the Card group Nazis , the Golf, Tennis etc Nazis . It was a control freaks idea of nirvana .

Moreover, Ethnocentricity Ran amok ! The mid westerners would not mix with the Easterners , or the Canadians it was a serious douche bag heaven . My dad a well educated but friendly type after about 5 years of this STULTIFYINGLY boring bullshit was ready to move but my step mom loved it , ergo the old man was a silent sufferer.

I remeber every damn time i went to th pool after golf i heard who the EFF died last night , or who had a body part extricated , or who had a stroke ....talk about depressing .

BUT THE COUP D' GRACE came for me when we were their for Easter and i played in a tournament then theit was a huge dinner dance at the clubhouse . A fancy affair , well the main speaker a guy i had played with earlier , a retired " Stock Breaker " got up to speak and DIED at the podium .......i said to the Queen " it 'll be a cold day in hell when we move here or anywhere or any place like this "

Great for a vacation but not to live in !! Hell no , i want to be in a mixed age environment with people who are reasonably bright , social and not like a bunch of wrinkly hs cliques.

End of rant , SORRY  

Haha. Died at the podium. That was funny.

Best guy to be is the one still alive around all of the now single women. They will care less where you're from.

Warp, My father felt the same way and could have written the equivalent of your post. He didn't want to be around people who complain constantly about their aches and pains, medication, operations, etc. and the (fill-in-the-blank) Nazis.
Both my parents loved when the neighbor kids would come for Halloween and would chat with them on their walks.
My father often said, "Florida is a place where people go to die. I've seen enough dead people in my day. (He was funeral director for 40 yrs.) I want to live a little longer."

Highest rate of STDs is The Villages . You can read the undercover story written by a New York times writer who was there undercover for a season .It's hilarious but also pretty insightful as to what really goes on there in the end it's pretty sad lots of lonely people

Dude, the world is full of lonely people. The Villages ain't got nuthin on that score.

Blue pills have changed life a lot down there, for sure.