For anyone who follows climbing. This is sad but not a surprise. This guy has been pushing the envelope for many years. Frankly I'm surprised he has lasted this long.. http://news.yahoo.com/extreme-athlete-dean-potter-dies-jumping-accident-014455885--spt.html
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If you are thinking about Dean Potter's death, like I am, here are two good articles that might bring some perspective. On why Dean Potter did what he did: http://www.adventure-journal.com/2015/05/opinion-in-praise-and-defense-of-dean-potter/ On those people who say, "well, at least he died doing what he loved to do" and managing risk in your own life: http://www.adventure-journal.com/2013/03/in-defense-of-taking-risks/
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On the one hand, my reaction is "Clif was right to have drawn a line" (even though they handled it poorly), yet on the other hand his feats and accomplishments were so inspiring (especially his climbing). It's hard to reconcile those two opposing feelings.
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I would never condemn anyone for doing what they loved. I don't think the sponsorships meant as much as the activities. Great articles SBR. I used to follow Alex Lowe and although his accident was different (avalanche) they were doing what they loved until that moment when, something went wrong. I want to go out that way. We lost an incredible athlete who died doing what he loved. I only first heard about him when he ran up The Nose, but looking at all he did...Damn he had fun
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I really hope this is sarcasm. If it's not you scare me. Some interesting thoughts from Jim Stiles on these sports. http://www.canyoncountryzephyr.com/2014/02/03/theres-nothing-more-extreme-than-a-young-brutal-death-by-jim-stiles/ |
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From a business standpoint can you blame them? It would almost be like the blood is literally on their hands even though everyone knows that most of these athletes would do it anyways. |
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Excellent article by Jim Stiles. Thanks for posting. |
Second that, Stiles is a great writer and I tend to agree with him, except for his disdain of mountain bikers. But, then again, Moab is different. Still have a few paper copies of the Zephyr we picked up while out there years ago.
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After living in communities with tourism based economies for the last 20 years I thought a lot of what he says in Brave New West was pretty spot on and if maybe not it still makes you think about what we are doing. I also didn't like his take on mountain biking but he is a product of his time. I was thinking about this article today while hiking and I think I see some parallels to someone like Stiles and Potter. Maybe this is a little far out but Stiles I have gathered is a bit of an extremist himself, maybe not risking life and limb for sport but he is extreme in the way of preservation, or at least that's been my assumption. Wasn't he a monkey wrencher? That kind of personality can have harmful effects on ones personal and family life as well. I don't know, maybe it's a reach but I thought it was an interesting idea. |
Almost 3 months ago many here were casting disdain on another adventurer who lost her life on the Presidential Range. Although I have not gotten the sense that the comments so far have been to idolize Potter, I also have not gotten the sense that the opinion is that the act that took his life was as self centered and misguided as those that took Matrosova's. Both could have chosen not to do what they did, both consumed lots of resources in death. I don't blame either one of these people for what they did, we need risk takers. However I don't idolize either one.
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Matrosova took off for her hike when there was a terrible forecast. Her hike would have been challenging even without that. Nobody with a real depth of experience would have ignored that forecast. I assume Potter jumped under conditions that were favorable for the jump. He understood the risks and probably took whatever steps he could to minimize them. Different scenarios. BTW, how did two of them die in this incident? Were they flying the exact same path trying to get close to something, and both hit it? |
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Meh, I don't think this article is so great. He comes across an old, washed up scold. Recounts his "extreme" youth adventure on a motorcycle, but wants to deny others the joy of youthful exuberance in the outdoors ("For me, these lands are special… sacred…and much more than something to climb up or jump from"). It just annoys me when people are like: "I was able to do these things and learn about myself and life, but you shouldn't do it because I think it's dangerous". Like people who tried weed when they were younger, but turn around and support throwing people in jail for smoking now. "You shouldn't be free to make the same mistakes I did" is a dumb argument. All that being said, I'd imagine that people become more risk averse as they age. I stopped trying to do difficult tricks in the park because I don't want to miss ski seasons because of injury. Eventually, I realized that the risk of doing stupid shit isn't really worth the stuff I'd give up. And with THAT being said, if someone wants to BASE jump at 43 years old, or Ski BASE jump at 39 years old (with a young child at home), they're old enough to know that they're doing dangerous shit and they might die. They've had friends die. They know the consequences. They're not naïve (like that woman who died in the White Mountains). They'd accounted for whatever risks there were and decided to go for it. We do that every time we ski, climb, or get in our car to drive to work. Yes, those activities are safer, but there are a couple of "skier death at [insert mountain]" posts every year, so none of us are invincible. The article uses this Helen Keller quote: Then it refutes the quote with a sob story that boils down to "What about the CHILDREN?!?!" But the better refutation is this: Yes, total security is superstition and there is danger. But to suggest that life is either a daring adventure or nothing is ludicrous. There are plenty of people living perfectly fine lives that (some would say) don't involve any adventure at all. There are people who think that trying asparagus or cutting their hair slightly shorter is a crazy risk. Everyone weighs risk and reward every day. Every time I go to work, I'm not just taking a risk on my commute (whether by bike or car). I'm taking the (much greater) risk of wasting my life by not driving to a mountain town to live and cobble together an income with Random ski town jobs. But I've weighed the risks of moving somewhere and decided that I want a little more security. Does that mean that my life is "nothing" like Helen Keller says? Ask me when I retire to a mountain town in 10 years. |
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I don't see a connection between these two deaths. I don't know anything about Dean Potter except what I've read since his death but he seemed to be the kind of guy that tried to intentionally push the limit with everything he did. I think there is a difference between the two. I suspect Matrosova knew it was dangerous but probably didn't think death was a big risk whereas it seems guys like Potter half expect they'll die doing what they do because they push the limits every day. Matrosova seems to have decided to do an act on the wrong day whereas Potter does that same act everyday... one died because of the day she went out, the other died because you can only cheat death so many times by pushing the envelope before the odds catch up with you. That said, I don't think disdain is appropriate in either of their cases. But I do see the deaths as being quite different.
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