How much would you pay to park (not premium parking)

campgottagopee wrote

not this BS about claiming to be green

Yep.  Like the utter horses*** about hotels being concerned about using hot water and washing towels.  Man up and tell the truth, it's about the dough.

Cunningstunts wrote

 
Where does the "free money" come from for incentives?

Carbon tax on the 100 companies that are actually responsible for Climate Change (not the millions of individuals who could make better choices, but probably need incentives to do so)?

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

MC2 5678F589 wrote

Carbon tax on the 100 companies that are actually responsible for Climate Change (not the millions of individuals who could make better choices, but probably need incentives to do so)?

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change

Haha - so a smallish resort in Colorado is going to lead or pressure the government into making that change?


I was thinking more along the lines that they'd increase their ticket or food prices and the customers end up paying the "parking fee" anyway.  This is the way most businesses do it.  You pay for parking, but it's lumped into your other services.

Oh. I thought you were asking a broader societal question.

Nah - I know what needs to happen.  You're preaching to the choir with that stuff.

But I really wouldn't be surprised with stuff like this as smaller ski resorts start to go supernova.  If customers request faster lifts, consistent snow, longer seasons - something's gonna give.  It's gonna get REAL expensive and more companies are going to go under.

Cunningstunts wrote

.  If customers request faster lifts, consistent snow, longer seasons - something's gonna give.  It's gonna get REAL expensive and more companies are going to go under.

Agree. Best thing might be for ski areas to convince their fans not to use their product. To savor a shorter season and use the long lift line wait to rest the legs.

(This strategy also seems doomed to failure)

I actually hope from this mess there will be more co-ops, state reclaimed areas that will turn into community projects, and skier operated organizations that focus on sustainable skiing.

Of course that never happened with the first wave of ski resort die-off, but I have a feeling things are different now.

If I get this link into enough threads, maybe this organization will get some traction:

http://www.mountainridersalliance.com

Yup - that's the stuff.

Although I guess my vision is it becomes very small and localized like MTB trail building is now, but perhaps organized through a larger group, much like IMBA.

You may say I just want to see the ski industry burn, but that's not my thought.  I just hope it gets smarter and instead of using archaic places because of history and we focus on areas that naturally get more snow.  It seems the most logical thing if sustainability and reducing cost and waste is the focus.  There probably will be a lot of kickback from conservationists, but I'm not talking mega resort stuff.  And all-in-all there should be an actual net benefit for the environment even if a few trees are sacrificed.

FYI, the parking fee will NOT be implemented at Eldora after all.

https://www.5280.com/2018/12/eldora-rescinds-proposed-parking-fees-after-major-backlash/

Eldora Rescinds Proposed Parking Fees After Major Backlash
After $20 parking fees fueled a storm of criticism from local skiers and snowboarders, Eldora Mountain Resort is reversing course and rescinding the policy before it went into effect.

Interesting. Kind of cool in a way. The listening part.

Who remembers this:

https://nyskiblog.com/gold-parking-at-gore-mountain/
https://nyskiblog.com/conversation-with-jeff-moeckel/

marznc wrote

FYI, the parking fee will NOT be implemented at Eldora after all.

https://www.5280.com/2018/12/eldora-rescinds-proposed-parking-fees-after-major-backlash/

Eldora Rescinds Proposed Parking Fees After Major Backlash
After $20 parking fees fueled a storm of criticism from local skiers and snowboarders, Eldora Mountain Resort is reversing course and rescinding the policy before it went into effect.

I like Eldora and I'm actually disappointed about that. The fee wouldn't apply to me because we usually have 3 or 4 in our car, but I'd still much rather pay $20 than be turned away or take a bus from Nederland.

Eldora used to be a sleepy area with no crowds, but between I70 traffic and MAX/IKON passes, its business must have increased by 10X in the last few years, without an equivalent increase in parking. The fee makes sense and isn't really much different than the parking at Aspen Highlands, but AH is a destination where everyone mostly expects to take the bus. IKON pass holders have a legitimate gripe that they weren't exempt the way Eldora holders were, but IKON passes are the source of the problem.  I bet the fee comes back next year for everyone, or maybe every car with only the driver.  

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Cunningstunts wrote

Actually it's a great move for ski families if it isn't really a destination resort.

QFT

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MC2 5678F589 wrote

What a dumb move by Eldora. Now, all of their possible customers are thinking "gee, I'd sure like to go to Eldora for a few runs, but that pain in the ass rule means that I need to find two friends to avoid having to pay for parking.

Actually, I'm thinking $20 is pretty cheap to avoid I-70 traffic, which for me includes a >$15 toll to use the express lane.

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JasonWx wrote

The sad thing is , Eldora is only a 1400 vert area, not a destination resort..

Eldora is small by Western standards, but they expanded to a new bowl a few years ago. It's also the easiest drive from Denver, by far. If it were in the Berkshires, Vermont would be out of business.
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JTG4eva! wrote

So I take it nobody is buying their claim that this is, essentially, an environmentally friendly change, one aimed at having fewer greenhouse gas emitting vehicles fouling the mountains on busy days?

I made a pretty good living for 15 years helping building owners save money by reducing pollution. Some of my friends complained that I was only in it for the money, but who had more effect? People who criticized polluters, or guys like me who showed them how to get rich by going greener?

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Milo Maltbie wrote

JTG4eva! wrote

So I take it nobody is buying their claim that this is, essentially, an environmentally friendly change, one aimed at having fewer greenhouse gas emitting vehicles fouling the mountains on busy days?

I made a pretty good living for 15 years helping building owners save money by reducing pollution. Some of my friends complained that I was only in it for the money, but who had more effect? People who criticized polluters, or guys like me who showed them how to get rich by going greener?

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Somebody is not getting a Christmas bonus this year.

Benny Profane wrote

Somebody is not getting a Christmas bonus this year.

That's not me. Haven't missed one in 19 years.

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