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These guys are like wizards!
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Guess I miss the cut with my Rossi 110s. :)
Not a fan of NNN. The BCs are a little better than the regular, but was left in a desperate situation by those bindings, never going back. Certainly not for a few ounces.
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Wow, no offense, but the Knights are a bit slow on the uptake of technology. NNN BC has been around since 1989 and non-Knights have been tele-ing and touring on it since then.
Here is video from 2008, featuring a famously banned personality from a number of ski forums skiing on what he calls "rugged touring gear," which you call XCD: I need to dig out my XCD collection and take a picture of it: a skiable pair of every one of the XCD series designed by Antii Tiitola for Karhu: XCD GT, XCD Comp, XCD Supreme and XCD Extreme. All three-pin, no cables. Make me an offer!
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In case you missed some of the other Knight Lore:
Harvey, you defied the code by using plastic boots and cables. The skis are irrelevant. SBR, The Knights accepted NNN-BC almost immediately after it was introduced. It's a XC technology after all, and they are there to protect the sanctity of XC in the XCD. This is why they designed the limits. They were worried that skiers, being the idiots that they are, would just want to strap on more powerful boots and bindings and buy wider skis instead of learning the art of skiing downhill with XC focused gear and well, XC skiing. You'll notice all their limits on their code relate to keeping in touch with the XC roots, the three major things are: Width of ski: Wide skis are trendy. The Knights realized this and only wanted to endorse ski widths that provided FUN and kept in the spirit of XC. A keen XCD skier will notice the 109 dimension relates to the max width of the Karhu Guide. The last time they increased the limit was for the Karhu XCD series skis. I have a theory that the designer of those skis is a Knight and on the council, but no proof... yet. Anyway the Rossi BC110 and Fischer S Bound 112 came long after they changed the rule last. The Knights recognized Rossi and Fischer were just changing that dimension slightly for silly marketing purposes and didn't bother to review the doctrines. Bindings: The Knights are very strict about this part. Bindings are highly contentious in the skiing world but again, in order to keep the sacred ties to XC, the binding MUST NOT have modes, or switches and must have a completely free heel - cables, springs, loops, whatever are just not XC. The only binding types that qualify for this are simple pin type bindings and the system bindings currently used by XC skiers today. The NNN-BC/SNS are simply a little bit beefier to handle wider skis and different turning techniques on ungroomed snow. The Knights accept both NNN and NNN-BC, but most XCD skiers consider NNN-BC the better choice. Boots: The boots must allow the skier to kick and glide effectively with the XC type binding. XC skiers don't switch modes to ascend and descend, so neither should an XCD skier. Boots become very critical because they tie how much fun one can have with ski width and binding power with the ability to still articulate the foot for effective kick and glide. This means the Knights have not accepted two buckle plastic boots. They simply do not allow free motion of the ankle needed to get an effective stride on XC skis. Hybrid boots that have plastic exo skeletons, much in the same way skate boots are designed but with extra heft for control on hills have been accepted, and are actively endorsed. Some of the very conservative Knights still believe it should have stayed with the pin and Norwegian welted boot system, but technology and times changed and the availability of gear forced them to reconsider. Anyway the OP is misleading... They are considering reviewing the limits again because of new skis on the market like the BC125, S Bound 125, Altai Kom, etc... but if they cannot effectively be skied with NNN-BC or 3 pin bindings and leather boots, then they simply must fall into the lite Tele category. There's also the contentious point that certain Alpine style, fishscaled skis like the Vector would then fall under the width rule but it is assured that rockered skis with flat camber will not be allowed by any Knight. If that's the case we might as well call Alpine Touring XCD!!! |
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That looks like my father-in-law*, and he is DEFINITELY not a XCD Knight. *He's a retired pharmacist who spends his time playing an online tank game, reading about war history and watching Fox news. His political views, oddly enough, seem to coincide with Coach's. |
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A Knight? The original Knight?
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As Kman so eloquently said "Leathers for cows"It 2016 join the party.
Tele turns are optional not mandatory.
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I was trying to figure out what the heck you were talking about and googled it:
http://www.knightstemplar.org/ I guess I missed the mark but that bro was funneh.
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You won't find what I'm talking about on Google, unless you happen along another obscure forum that speaks of the Knights.
I'm surprised SBR doesn't know about the Knights. I thought he might be a Knight himself. And for the record, Knights can and do ski on all sorts of other gear... but they only XCD with leather boots, skinny(ish) skis and no cables. |
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This is the best and weirdest thread ever, all at the same time. I may need a day or so off to gather my thoughts.
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Well, we are a little isolated from popular culture up here. I could have been a Knight until I discovered plastic.
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It's like when Dylan went electric. The heretic! |
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Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. I'm probably a lot weirder than any may expect, hence my (possibly unhealthy) obsession with Nordic Backcountry skiing and my strict adherence to the Knight's code.
This is anything but popular. It would actually be classified as anti-pop. And there's nothing wrong with liking plastic, you just like Telemark better than XCD. And not ironically, that's very popular. |
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I'm with SBR we need to take a day off to go ski in the woods to think on this. As soon as snow comes.
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FWIW one of the largest populations of the followers of the Knights are in Norway. They call it Fjellski or Fjelling.
This branch of the Knights also strongly favor wax skis. Asnes and Fischer cater to their unique market and their techniques vary from DPP jump turns to long, smooth tele arcs. The Gamme family is fairly active in promoting this type of skiing. |
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