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"Telemarking: Neither Dead Nor Stupid"

Sick Bird Rider
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Great essay by Craig Dostie, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing, this quote sums it up, "the free heel faithful don’t care whether or not you care that we tele."

http://www.earnyourturns.com/20579/telemarking-neither-dead-nor-stupid/

IOW — Why Tele?

As if it isn’t apparent, let me start out by reminding you that tele ain’t dead. The reports of the demise of the telemark tribe are over stated, fueled by mob mentality, juvenile thinking, and reliance on equipment sales to judge interest.

Interest is not defined by consumerism, but the passion of the people involved. That passion is rarely fueled by how easy something is. We all know the saying, “the harder they come, the harder they fall.” It accurately describes the loyalty and how outspoken telemarkers can be when describing their dance of choice in the mountains. Lest you think as a writer and publisher about telemark minutia I am merely too self absorbed to see outside my free heel realm, consider Sir Arnold Lund who pursued his passion for skiing with such zeal he was knighted, and he is on record as a telemarker. The correlation is hard to dismiss.

Part of the reason is ‘cuz tele ain’t easy. Ask any who have committed the time to learn it and they readily acknowledge, it takes extra effort, lots of time and lots of falls to master the telemark turn. In some ways you never fully do, because you’re always learning and adapting to new conditions with a free heel. That challenge is part of the allure, because it makes the satisfaction of achievement that much richer.

The telemark turn isn’t merely about athleticism and challenge, it is about flowing through the mountains. Not only the smooth sensation of the turn, but a Nordic perspective on how you move through terrain, by incorporating the ability to kick and glide, skate, or skin, with a natural, flexible sole.

This leads to perhaps the main reason I haven’t gone back to locked heels for descent except when I’m testing AT gear or skiing something that I’d be scared spitless to descend anymore with tele gear. Over age 50, skiing above 50° seems foolish unless the conditions are absolutely stellar.

Simply put, telemark boots are more comfortable than rigid soled boots, undeniably so. When I first made the transition to tele, leather boots were the only option. I didn’t switch being blind to their downhill limitations, but rather in full awareness that the minute-by-minute comfort of a soft leather boot was worth the compromise. And, with a little practice, skill, and luck, I could descend as steep as I dared, and in my younger years even proved it. Okay, so maybe it takes more than a little, but with a lot of practice the skill can be developed and with luck, the limits exist only in our minds.

Without overstating the cliché reason tele ain’t dead, and why it won’t die, is the hook the turn puts in an outdoor heart for the sweeping sensation of the telemark turn. It can’t be adequately described in words, like how a kiss can be mingled with a little bit of magic, transforming it beyond the physical sensation of skin on skin. Some call it metaphysical. For the moment, may I suggest you consider it in simpler, quantitative terms.

In skiing there is a sweet spot in the middle of a turn, that moment when shussing through snow fairly hums with energy. Having done all three, alpine, snowboard, and telemark skiing, I can tell you that alpine turns have the shortest sweet spot, but the energy is high. Snowboard turns that rev the excitement meter are typically long. But with telemark, you can adjust that sweet spot, not only in terms of length, but also in terms of depth. Admittedly not when you’re learning, but once you figure it out, and get it, and practice it, especially in deep powder – whoa – that’s a feeling you’ll want to experience repeatedly and in a perfect world, regularly.

In case you hadn’t noticed, the rest of the world is claiming that the best way to go backcountry skiing is with alpine touring gear. I readily admit to being a strong proponent of that sentiment, and do believe that for the majority of skiers A.T. skiing IS the best way to go. But not for everyone. For a few, tele is the best. It is not, nor will it ever again be the most popular way to earn your turns. Being the minority player has it’s disadvantages, but stoopid isn’t one of them. It’s only stoopid until you figure it out. Then it becomes the flip side of stupid. The word superior comes to mind but satisfying is more common. ;)

Why do I bring all this up? Hasn’t this been discussed ad nauseum now for years. Yes, perhaps it has. However, it’s now time to push back because the free heel faithful don’t care whether or not you care that we tele. We care about the hows and whys and doing it. While we won’t insist that you try it yourself, when you’re ready to, we’re here to encourage and help you along. Afterall, not everyone can tele.


Edit to add a quote from a similar article in Powder Mag:

With that, the herd has been culled to historic lows, and only the truly fit survive. Today’s practitioners are usually quiet and unassuming, just like their ancestors. The men are hairy and strong, while the women have pigtails and round firm asses. Their equipment gives them away, and it’s temping to feel sorry for them, as if they didn’t get the memo. Then you see them explode down the hill with the mastery and grace of a ninja, and the truth comes out: They really don’t care what you think.
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snoloco
One time I was trying to type telemarker into my phone and it autocorrected it to telemarketer.  Luckily I caught that before I posted.
I've lived in New York my entire life.
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Sick Bird Rider
snoloco wrote
One time I was trying to type telemarker into my phone and it autocorrected it to telemarketer.  Luckily I caught that before I posted.
Thanks for paying attention. Although any pinhead will tell you that it wouldn't have been the first time:

"Hey, are those telemarketing skis?"

"Is telemarketing hard?"

Etc., etc.

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MC2 5678F589
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Telemark, single speed mountain biking, Whitewater SUP-ing . . .The problem with them all is that they're tiny niches of sports that are already niche. Tough to survive when your slice of the pie is so small.

BUT, I think everyone who telemarks has a responsibility to rip awesome turns under chairlifts, shred past teenagers in the park and trees, post Telemark pictures on forums, and just be a general badass in all areas of life. The only way to keep it alive is to feed the monster until it grows. I'm definitely going to try to take more sick photos this year. Spread Telemark, as the saying goes.

And for people who haven't tried it yet, if you want to make it easy to get around a mountain like Gore or make the long approaches of the ADKs palatable, you should give it a try. It might increase the amount of fun you can have on skis, which should be everyone's goal.

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campgottagopee
mattchuck2 wrote
 

BUT, I think everyone who telemarks has a responsibility to rip awesome turns under chairlifts, shred past teenagers in the park and trees, post Telemark pictures on forums, and just be a general badass in all areas of life. The only way to keep it alive is to feed the monster until it grows. I'm definitely going to try to take more sick photos this year. Spread Telemark, as the saying goes.
 
Nothing cooler than watching a Tele dude who rips.....I've never done it nor do I ever want to try, but I've skied with a bunch who can get 'er done and it's fun to watch. There was a ski patrol tele dude at Smuggs that would flat out own Lift Line and get the crowd on the chair hootin and a hollerin  
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gorgonzola
tv killed the radio, at killed tele

I'm trying to tele just to up my bcXcd game

5 of the 25 people skiing greek sunday morning were freeheeling
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MC2 5678F589
If a vegan does crossfit and teaches telemark skiing, how does he possibly figure out what to talk about first?
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Sick Bird Rider
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mattchuck2 wrote
Telemark, single speed mountain biking, Whitewater SUP-ing . . .The problem with them all is that they're tiny niches of sports that are already niche. Tough to survive when your slice of the pie is so small.

BUT, I think everyone who telemarks has a responsibility to rip awesome turns under chairlifts, shred past teenagers in the park and trees, post Telemark pictures on forums, and just be a general badass in all areas of life. The only way to keep it alive is to feed the monster until it grows. I'm definitely going to try to take more sick photos this year. Spread Telemark, as the saying goes.

And for people who haven't tried it yet, if you want to make it easy to get around a mountain like Gore or make the long approaches of the ADKs palatable, you should give it a try. It might increase the amount of fun you can have on skis, which should be everyone's goal.
Well said, MC2. I hereby appoint you Leader of the Fourth Telemark Revival (or is it fifth?). Yes, agreed, all tele skiers must promise to look and ski their best at all times.

The biggest obstacle to telemark maintaining any kind of foothold (sorry) in skiing will be boots. Skis are skis, and the niche market of bindings will be supported by small manufacturers like Voile, Burnt Mountain and 22 Designs. Now that Black Diamond has stopped making tele boots, what are we left with? Scarpa, Scott (AKA Garmnot) and Crispi (who?, you might say). It takes a lot of infrastructure and technology to make plastic ski boots and the dwindling market may not support further effort by a profit-oriented company. Oh well, back to leather and 3-pins!
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Adk Jeff
Telemark will continue to live as long as there is both touring and turning.  Kick & glide with a rigid soled AT boot, yuck.
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MC2 5678F589
^Yeah, free pivot is not conducive to kick and glide. And, about the boots, we might win because Tele boots are so much more comfortable than Alpine/AT offerings.

Powder has a new article on this stuff, too:

http://www.powder.com/stories/endangered-tele-skiers/#.VH-7rVvP60o.facebook

Money quote:

The emergence of Rocker and Alpine Touring allowed every mediocre backseat-driving arm-flapper to become an instant hero. All those pretending to make The Turn didn’t actually need The Turn anymore. They just needed a few thousand bucks, a Dynafit, and a walk-mode.

With that, the herd has been culled to historic lows, and only the truly fit survive. Today’s practitioners are usually quiet and unassuming, just like their ancestors. The men are hairy and strong, while the women have pigtails and round firm asses. Their equipment gives them away, and it’s temping to feel sorry for them, as if they didn’t get the memo. Then you see them explode down the hill with the mastery and grace of a ninja, and the truth comes out: They really don’t care what you think.
Mmmmm... Tele chicks with round, firm asses....
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snowmonkey
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I never would have taken up DH skiing in the first place if I hadn't found out about the beauty of teleskiing.  I started out with nordic skiing in 2007. I went out xc skiing with a group of nordic skiers a couple-three times per week, and met and became good friends with a man and his wife who used to teach skiing out in Colorado.  I watched the husband make these beautiful, graceful turns down the steep trails through the woods that the rest of us would do our best to snowplow down and not fall on our faces--even people in the group who were experienced alpine skiers.  So I asked him, "How do you do that?????"  For a couple years, he told me about this lovely-sounding thing called "telemark skiing."  It intrigued me, and I wanted to learn how to do this "teleskiing" so that I, too, could ski gracefull down steep hills in the woods.  I went up to Hickory in Feb. 2011 with PowderQueen for their telefest, and I was completely hooked from that day forward.  I honestly don't think I would have ever started DH skiing if it hadn't been for learning about tele.  This isn't to say that I'll never switch over to alpine equipment, but I'll stay on tele for as long as I have the ability to have fun on it.  
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witch hobble
Keep tele weird!The paragraph about the sweet spot is spot on.....but only the already converted, the true artistes, the determined strivers and smiling flailers are even paying attention anymore.  Most of the herd has moved on....which is fine.

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gorgonzola
witch hobble wrote
 smiling flailers

I have a tele strata!  
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freeheeln
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campgottagopee wrote


Nothing cooler than watching a Tele dude who rips.....
exept being the tele dude who rips....
Tele turns are optional not mandatory.
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Telemark Dave
This whole thread is like a MOO point.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KAyAp33MfLw
"there is great chaos under heaven, and the situation is excellent" Disclaimer: Telemark Dave is a Hinterlandian. He is not from New York State, and in fact, doesn't even ski there very often. He is also obsessive-compulsive about Voile Charger BC's.
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Telemark Dave
"there is great chaos under heaven, and the situation is excellent" Disclaimer: Telemark Dave is a Hinterlandian. He is not from New York State, and in fact, doesn't even ski there very often. He is also obsessive-compulsive about Voile Charger BC's.
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tjf1967
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to bad.  they smell and are cheap with a penchant for talking about themselves constantly.
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campgottagopee
TJ in da house ya'll
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raisingarizona
I just want to no if it's alive and well at Mountain Creek New Jersey.
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