Best Colleges for Skiing?

Where? Greenwood lake? Just beyond Paramus somewhere?

Harvey wrote

How diverse is ZZ's class?

ZZ goes to AusSable middle school now.  NW is a high school.

This area is 90%+ white
It is economically diverse and skewed towards to lower end.  Lots of kids being raised by just moms.  His best bud is in that situation.  Generally good kids but it's not a high academic environment.  The school pods the kids bu thier academic level so they can give more help to those that need it and push those that can do it.

We as a family are probably economicaly in the top end at AuSable but at NW we would be at the bottom.

Doesn't sound too diverse, and personally I don't think it matters that much. If parents, teachers and students care about the students they will learn.

I believe one reason diversity is valued is the idea that it helps to create an environment of acceptance of different kinds of people.

There are many people in NJ, some are good people some aren't.  Just like in your school.  Sounds like I could rattle off some stereotypes about your town, but I won't because I haven't them.  If you want Z to be open to new people and ideas, teach him by example.

Harvey, my expanation:  Lots of annoying jocks with a delusional superiority complex that think they're better than everyone else and that anyone who isn't exactly like them is a loser.  Usually I'm the one that they don't like.

snoloco wrote

Harvey, my expanation:  Lots of annoying jocks with a delusional superiority complex that think they're better than everyone else and that anyone who isn't exactly like them is a loser.  Usually I'm the one that they don't like.

Sounds like a ski forum.

HA!

Except, when push comes to shove, we like Sno......

Yeah I like him too.  If he was an annoying jock drooling on his jersey, I might not as much.

snoloco wrote

Harvey, my expanation:  Lots of annoying jocks with a delusional superiority complex that think they're better than everyone else and that anyone who isn't exactly like them is a loser.  Usually I'm the one that they don't like.

Lame stereotyping cuts both ways.

Sno, keep us posted about The Clarkson School. I am pulling for you to get in. You said your grades are good. Are your test scores solid?

Northwoods could be an interesting option if your parents are willing to pay for a school that would add $50,000 or more to their post-secondary costs. But, as someone already said, it might be tough to jump in socially as a senior.

The other thing to consider is if you do not like Clarkson/Potsdam, what are your options for applying to schools next spring? Do kids ever rematriculate as freshman at other colleges after a year at TCS? Or, can you transfer with sophomore status?

If you go to TCS and decide to continue at Clarkson, you are automatically given sophomore status.  If you transfer somewhere else, you apply as a freshman, because TCS is considered a boarding school and not a college (you're still in high school when attending).

Attended The Clarkson School open house today and it couldn't have gone better.  If I get in, I'm definitely going.  Looks like a great program that is a perfect fit for me.

What program are you looking at Sno?

I am a college student myself. I may be the only college student currently on this forum. I don't know. Anyway, I know SUNY probably doesn't have the prestige that you are looking for but here is a little look into the program I am in at SUNY Delhi. This is a very recent article. We were recently visited by a NY congressman.   http://readme.readmedia.com/Congressman-Paul-Tonko-Explores-SUNY-Delhi-Mechatronics/12774216
FYI, those numbers are way smaller than what students are actually reporting.

Delhi is halfway between my house and Plattekill which is awesome. And for you, it would be less than an hour from Hunter, and only an hour and 30 from Orange county.

Speak about diversity, Delhi's student population is mostly downstate, and a large majority of that is Long Island city which means an interesting variety of ethnicities. There are also a few kids from upstate like me.

For me it's the perfect situation because I have no debt, and a promising career outcome, and I enjoy my studies, and I still have time for 40 days of skiing. My ultimate goal is to earn an MBA online when I'm done at Delhi.

In fact, my education could potentially be very useful for a ski area.

Awesome Sno, keep us posted.

Ethan Snow wrote

What program are you looking at Sno?

The Clarkson School is an early college program at Clarkson University for academically strong high school seniors ready to begin college level work.  I'm a junior now and would be going next year, if I get in.  You are a fully matriculated freshman college student when attending.

You leave high school a year early and go to college, satisfying the requirements for your high school senior year and college freshman year at the same time.  You can work out a way to get your diploma from your original high school, or take the GED exam in September which gets you basically the same thing.  They help you prepare for the exam and bus you to the testing center.

At the end of your Clarkson School year, you have the option of continuing your education at Clarkson University, or transferring to another institution.  About 60% stay and 40% transfer.  Some students use this program as a step into some very elite schools.  They send people to ivy's almost every year.  You apply as a freshman student to other colleges, but come in with advanced standing, and are often able to graduate in 4 years, including your Clarkson School year.

Clarkson is a private university, but I hear from multiple sources that they are very generous with financial aid, so that helps make things more affordable.

Paying for a year in The Clarkson School can mean savings in the long run. College costs escalate each year and our students usually graduate a year earlier than their peers. The summary of fixed charges for the 2016-2017 academic year is shown below. Financial assistance is available.

Tuition & Fees: $46,132
Housing and Meals: $14,556
Total per year: $60,688
Other expenses such as books, travel, and spending money vary from student to student. An estimated figure used for these expenses is approximately $3,950 for one academic year.

A veritable bargain.

That's like 3 years at most of the SUNYs.

I guess I don't understand how that's saving money.

Ethan

I have an MBA and I would not recommend getting one online.  Much of the value comes from class room discussions with students from a mix of differ industries and disciplines.  As someone who has interviewed and hired staff I would rate an on line degree much lower than a class room MBA.  

Not sure an MBA and the ski industry is a good fit.  My guess is there may not be a single MBA working in management in the ski biz.  Vail Corp may be the exception.  Generally you start at the bottom and work your way up in the ski biz and that does not mesh well with having an MBA.  

x10003q wrote

Paying for a year in The Clarkson School can mean savings in the long run. College costs escalate each year and our students usually graduate a year earlier than their peers. The summary of fixed charges for the 2016-2017 academic year is shown below. Financial assistance is available.

Tuition & Fees: $46,132
Housing and Meals: $14,556
Total per year: $60,688
Other expenses such as books, travel, and spending money vary from student to student. An estimated figure used for these expenses is approximately $3,950 for one academic year.

A veritable bargain.

That's like 3 years at most of the SUNYs.

The first thing that they told us after informing us of the sticker price was "This is just sticker shock, NOBODY pays that".  I heard from multiple students as well that they are very good with financial aid.  I'm the one that applied and visited and these are the facts.

Clarkson gives generous financial aid to those with need as well as merit aid to those without need.

snoloco wrote

The first thing that they told us after informing us of the sticker price was "This is just sticker shock, NOBODY pays that".

That is like ski area walk up rate, lol.

I jest but I am really not even kidding. Colleges call it a discount rate. They plan out what percent they can discount in aggregate and that is the number used to budget for revenues. Sticker rate at college is just like window rate at a ski area... you are either desperate or didn't plan to pay full rate. Crazy system (both college pricing and lift ticket pricing).

Regarding the online MBA thing Coach mentioned, I think it all depends why you want to get your MBA. If you actually want to get the most out of your education and generate local connections, networks, and job leads... then yes, an in person MBA is essential. And almost certainly, you should work full time for a few years before starting the program because experience is really important for applying what you learn. If you just want the degree for a credential to get a job, then online is fine. A lot of MBA programs are credentialing factories and I question the value of going into that program UNLESS you have a very specific career track in mind that requires the degree.