Jumbo Glacier Resort

raisingarizona wrote

Well ya of course I know that, but I'm saying that maybe, just maybe that is natures intention for us. Maybe we are here  to kick the earth into it's next stage and lets be honest, the Earth will do much better without us. The whole save the this or that movement should really be- lets save us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a minimalist and I feel good about not creating a large footprint. I do my part by living simple but I often here this whole we need to save the planet stuff from people driving fancy cars and living in 2500 square foot homes or the self righteous trust funder kid living on their parents hard earned money that was unlikely made with the Earths best interests in mind.

So I guess I'm saying is that I see a lot of BS going around especially when it comes to the hateful bigots we have here in our local Sierra Club chapter. Those people are assholes.

Dude, without groups like SC people would still be pouring motor oil in the sewer and half the mountains in the front range would have a defunct ski resort on it. They fill a vital role by telling people "not so fast!" even if they can be assholes sometimes. It's so easy to build and get shit wrong, and the effects last a lot longer than not doing anything at all.

Our country is like the Simpsons Monorail episode, no better or worse.

Scotty

How many millions of birds are killed by wind turbines?

what about the trail cutting for the VT backcountry projects you support that are certainly above 2800 feet?  are they required to work around the birds?

You have to admit that Sierra Club and Greenpeace have way overstepped their bounds to the point many people are just to ignore them out of hand.

I like birds.  I just like lifts and snowmaking pipes more.  The bird did drive up costs considerably for Orda on that project you have to admit.  it was one of the main reasons that the snowmaking did not go onto Hoyts until several years later.  The project was so behind schedule and that coincided with a increase in commodity costs for steel and pipe so that Orda ran out of budget is how I heard it from a very reliable source that worked on the project.

Coach Z wrote

The bird did drive up costs considerably for Orda on that project you have to admit.

That's the cost of doing business, the planet doesn't belong to humans to wreck forever.

There are hundreds of mountains above 2800 feet in the APA that are protected and two that we ski on.  You are telling me that if the bird had to nest instead on the next ridge towards Wilmington a quarter mile away that it would threaten its species existence?  At some point there needs to be some cost benefit analysis done.  
This is all spilt milk now and the bird likes glades so Orda can use that as an excuse to cut more hopefully.  

what about the damage done to birds by wind turbines?  should the whole wind industry be banned because of the millions of birds killed or is the green benefits of wind power somehow make the birds irrelevant for the perceived gains?

This thread really belongs in off topic as it never as about a ski area.

Their habitat in the winter is going to be their demise not a mountain in the north east.

The SC people that I have had to deal with are like religious nuts or members of a cult or people that associate themselves with one political party and are way too extreme about it.

I'm not for destroying everything and like I said, I'm probably more green than most of the american population just because I like simplicity and I'm not greedy or competitive in that way. Heck, I don't even understand the things that motivate most people, it all seems like such a hassle and waste of time imo.

The Sierra Club out here has become so religious like that they do not negotiate, everything must be their way and only their way. Sorry but they don't just act like ass holes sometimes, they are complete ass holes. We have people on the local SC chapter board here that are vocal about their hatred towards anyone that does anything other than walk in the woods. The say bigoted things about any form of recreational group akin to the hateful speeches spewed from Donald Trump. The heavy donators are often from large cities and clueless how their actions affect the small mountain communities, hell they don't even care as long as they get their monthly newsletter about how some front line member is doing whatever to fuck with something so they can protect a tiny owl with spots that no one has seen in the area for 30 years. It's to the point that the Forest Service out here has their hands completely tied because every time they try to go forward for a project that benefits the community the SC drags them into courts. F-- those people.

A bunch of them live in huge houses and drive expensive cars too. I really can't stand the SC any longer, most of them are there for personal agendas and not doing it for the right reasons.

raisingarizona wrote

A bunch of them live in huge houses and drive expensive cars too. I really can't stand the SC any longer, most of them are there for personal agendas and not doing it for the right reasons.

yes that is hypocritical and selfish.  the ultra rich have a way of not practicing what they preach but overall we need more organizations like SC.  the real takers are worse bro.  the real takers are worse.  

Coach Z wrote

Scotty

How many millions of birds are killed by wind turbines?

Too many.  We should really focus on solar.  However wind is helping to solve a larger environmental issue.  domestic cats should be kept inside or just eliminated.  

Coach Z wrote

what about the trail cutting for the VT backcountry projects you support that are certainly above 2800 feet?  are they required to work around the birds?

Bicknell habitat is often found above 2800 feet and always in spruce fir waves.  the glading that is occurring in VT is not in spruce fir waves.  It's in hardwood forests.  which plays a huge role as to why, along with more snow, they have better glades...

Coach Z wrote

You have to admit that Sierra Club and Greenpeace have way overstepped their bounds to the point many people are just to ignore them out of hand.

Absolutely not.  Their response pales in comparison to the devastation dulled out by the greedy trump types and uneducated.

Coach Z wrote

I like birds.  I just like lifts and snowmaking pipes more.  The bird did drive up costs considerably for Orda on that project you have to admit.  it was one of the main reasons that the snowmaking did not go onto Hoyts until several years later.  The project was so behind schedule and that coincided with a increase in commodity costs for steel and pipe so that Orda ran out of budget is how I heard it from a very reliable source that worked on the project.

False.  

ScottyJack wrote

raisingarizona wrote

A bunch of them live in huge houses and drive expensive cars too. I really can't stand the SC any longer, most of them are there for personal agendas and not doing it for the right reasons.

yes that is hypocritical and selfish.  the ultra rich have a way of not practicing what they preach but overall we need more organizations like SC.  the real takers are worse bro.  the real takers are worse.  

Maybe but we need a group that doesn't look out for their own interests defending their own narrow view of things. Their actions at this point have hurt their credibility and trust that no one locally out here in western mountain towns want to support them anylonger and rightfully so. They are not a moderate group, they need to go imo.

throwing out the baby with the bath water just gives the greedy takers unfettered access to our natural resources and the laid back moderates would never have a chance.  they be overwhelmed and before they knew what happened all that's good in the world would be off limits or destroyed.  

This guy   be all  then

ScottyJack wrote

  domestic cats should be kept inside or just eliminated.  

 

You're mean!!!