Most important safety feature

Hard to believe the legs this rediculous thread has.  Yes, WE NEED SNOW!  Harvey, can we fix this for you............

"Skiing isn't just about quantity, but quality, camaraderie, friendships, and being surrounded by orange fences"

If we don't want to accept that, can we wrap up this ridiculous topic and move on to whatever nonsense PowAss throws out next?

Hey, I have no objection to use of protective barriers in high traffic/high risk areas.  It's done all the time.  However, that is entirely different from PA's suggestion to line all slopes with safety fencing, on the off chance someone could be skiing close to the edge of a trail anywhere on the mountain, catch an edge, slide off the trail, and hit a tree.

Skiing is an inherently risky sport, and everyone who participates knows that.  You will never be able to protect all people from all risks, no matter how nobly idealistic the desire to do so is.  Hey, what's the number 2 killer?  3?  Where does it end?

Yes, it's unfortunate that skiers die on mountains, sometimes when they aren't even irresponsible or out of control.  The answer can't be safety measures that would bankrupt ski resorts to install and maintain, and would likely result in lawsuits when someone manages to go off a trail in an unprotected spot or sustains an injury from going into the fencing.  On the surface the idea is great.  As PA points out, who wouldn't like to save a life?  But you have to do more than scratch the surface of even the noblest of ideas.  Bottom line......the idea is not well thought out, and is ultimately short sighted and unrealistic.

'Nuff said!

JTG4eva! wrote

can we wrap up this ridiculous topic and move on to whatever nonsense PowAss throws out next?

+1

JTG4eva! wrote

"Skiing isn't just about quantity, but quality, camaraderie, friendships, and being surrounded by orange fences"

Blew my coffee all over the table.  

JTG4eva! wrote

Hey, what's the number 2 killer?  3?

I googled it.

Number of deaths for leading causes of death in the US:

• Heart disease: 596,577
• Cancer: 576,691
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 142,943
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,932
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 126,438
• Alzheimer's disease: 84,974
• Diabetes: 73,831
• Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,826
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,591
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 39,518

Maybe we need orange netting around Dunkin Donuts and KFC.

JTG4eva! wrote

Hard to believe the legs this rediculous thread has.  Yes, WE NEED SNOW!  Harvey, can we fix this for you............

Hard to believe people still use the old and tired WE NEED SNOW take when a thread turns argumentative.

JTG4eva! wrote

If we don't want to accept that, can we wrap up this ridiculous topic and move on to whatever nonsense PowAss throws out next?

'Nuff said!

Cause you say so? If you don't like the thread don't read it. If others want to keep it going that's their business.

mattchuck2 wrote

Highpeaksdrifter wrote

Glade Runner wrote

 So what there are a few deaths a year.  Who cares?  And if it is me one day then so be it.

Probably the parents who lost a child or the kids who lost a parent or anyone who lost someone they loved care. You are an idiot.

I think he's making the point here that I make for gun control arguments: if everyone wants guns to be readily available, able to be purchased on the internet with lax regulations (as in a lot of states that aren't New York), on some level, we're just going to have to accept the fact that there will be lots of gun deaths, suicides, and school shootings that wouldn't happen if we had stricter laws (see: Australia). Newtown happens because we create an environment where it can happen. And yes, it's horrible for the parents, but as a society, we've decided that "freedom" is more important than children's lives (I personally disagree, but not much I can do).

If we want skiing to remain a sport free of bumper-bowl style pads on the sides of every trail, on some level, we're just going to have to accept the fact that a few people per year are going to ski into a tree and kill themselves. I agree this time. The tradeoff is worth it. As I said earlier in this ridiculous thread, it's dumb to make enormous, counterproductive changes in response to vanishingly rare events (and the 4-5 people who die in skiing accidents per year pale in comparison to 30,000 gun deaths).

I'm sure people have died sledding before. Should we ban all sleds?

I never said ban skiing....but I would avoid trees when tubing. Common sense.

Running into trees and getting seriously injured is not a rare event in skiing. True that most common is a twisting fall/leg injury(used to be way worse before releasable bindings) BTW- That's another safety feature that people on here would laugh at me if I had talked about that before it's use became widespread. You're all a bunch of sheep! Just going with the crowd.

But a lot of people get injured running into trees. Netting makes it safer. Not sure what heart disease statistics have to do with preventable deaths/injuries at ski areas. Maybe we should not use releasable bindings or helmets since more people die of cancer???!! WTF?? Even people that take care of themselves get these diseases all the time. Genetics. If there was a cure for heart disease or even a way to stop the aging process, we'd take the pill.

The netting is the pill!

PowderAssassin wrote

 
I never said ban skiing....but I would avoid PowPuff when posting on Harvey Road because he's boring. Common sense.

 

Fixed it for you bro

PowderAssassin wrote

*More weird ass bullshit*

I'm starting to think that PowAss has never actually skied a glade, never skied bumps, and never skied anywhere we he has had to avoid anything.

Pics or STFU.

mattchuck2 wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

*More weird ass bullshit*

I'm starting to think that PowAss has never actually skied a glade, never skied bumps, and never skied anywhere we he has had to avoid anything.

Pics or STFU.

I've never skied a glade and never would.

WTF Drifter........sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities.  Sorry I jumped on the 'we need snow' bandwagon.  By all means we can feed the troll, as he just keeps begging for it.

What does heart disease have to do with the subject of ski deaths and safety?  I'll tell ya!  I bet heart attacks on slope are high enough on the 'killers in skiing' list that you should pay attention to them.  It's utterly irresponsible of mountains to allow people to access natural features that will result in a heightened level of exertion without making sure everyone is physically up to the effort.  So, maybe mountains should administer a cardiac stress test or require a cardiologists report before anyone is allowed to buy a lift ticket.  Surely that will prevent a few deaths by heart attack on the hill, and who wouldn't want to save a life.

Perpetuate the rediculous!!!!!

Highpeaksdrifter wrote

So there are certainly inherited  risks to skiing as there are with countless recreational activates people enjoy. That said, I find the cavalier attitude about people getting killed or seriously hurt at a ski area that some people in this tread are demonstrating troubling.

On the surface I agree. But I think people are trying emphasize a point, death is a fact of life.
As a society we consider human life almost priceless, it is a blessing and a curse. It burdens our systems with huge costs and places us at a disadvantage to those societies that consider life cheap.

In this case I think you are hearing that many think that the individual should be allowed to choose the risks they are willing to take. I believe the guidelines in Article 18 For ski areas has it right, they clearly spell out what should be marked and protected.

You agreed with the added labor required to maintain skiing quality and fence all trails. If this added safety were a marketable feature, ie you could add the price into the lift ticket, would people pay for it?

Skiing is an optional activity unlike driving. Dont do it if you think the risks are too high. I don't hang glide, it looks like a lot of fun but I won't take the risk. I know a doctor who earns his living on the OR, he won't ski because he feels it is too risky, he can't afford to loose mobility, I know other doctors who take the risk.

Highpeaksdrifter wrote

JTG4eva! wrote

Hard to believe the legs this rediculous thread has.  Yes, WE NEED SNOW!  Harvey, can we fix this for you............

Hard to believe people still use the old and tired WE NEED SNOW take when a thread turns argumentative.

Yeah right?  I always get a kick out of that too.  Do you guys argue more with your friends and family as winter approaches?  Please.

What probably happens is that as the ski season gets closer, more people come to these ski sites and they're the type of people who have some compulsion to blab about skiing on the internet (because most of them live in a suburban/urban wasteland far from the mountains and these sites make them feel relevant and connected).  It's a race to the bottom as they argue about stupid shit.  Case in point:  Glade Runner vs. PowderAss.  They're both dumb asses.  It won't stop when the snow starts falling.  They'll still be dumb asses blabbing about dumb ass shit.  

Talking about skiing is like dancing about architecture.  Pointless and silly.  I won't be happy until these idiotic ski forums finally go away.

Yet......here you are!

Not for the same reasons you are, Bub.

Now, before anyone gets offended and goes off let me remind everyone that humor can be hard to read in this medium.  

That 'here you are' was intended to be ironic levity.  The 'Nuff said' didn't mean I was telling all y'all to stop talking, it meant I have said all that need to be said on the subject , and you can continue along as you like.

Lighten up people!

Noah John wrote

 I won't be happy until these idiotic ski forums finally go away.

well not for nothing but your participation perpetuates the life of ski forums.  I come here mainly for the entertainment value you greatly provide and to learn new words!  My vocabulary has grown due to your participation in ski forums so please don't stop!  

Just accept it, you have ski forum skills that rock!   

Great I'm just an idiot and a dumbass for having an opinion that doesn't agree with you.  I won't bother to share what I love with you all anymore since my point of view isn't respected whatsoever.  I'm not on here pretending to be a know it all and I actually value what others with more experience share.  I don't go around calling people names on forums but, I've seen multiple people on here do it.  If I don't like what someone has to say I don't insult them with name calling.  If you got something to say like that to me, then straight up go fuck yourself.  I'll be at the mountains all winter long and if you don't like it I'm not hard to find.  I make major sacrifices in life to make what I do in the winter my priority and I will be out every single time it snows all over the east.

ScottyJack wrote

Noah John wrote

 I won't be happy until these idiotic ski forums finally go away.

well not for nothing but your participation perpetuates the life of ski forums.  I come here mainly for the entertainment value you greatly provide and to learn new words!  My vocabulary has grown due to your participation in ski forums so please don't stop!  

Just accept it, you have ski forum skills that rock!  

bwahahahah
+1

And if there was ever someone who should lay down a kickass TR with those skillz it's NJ -- just sayin

I'd imagine the skills NJ has rock in any forum he is in, whatever reason he has for being in them.  He must surely fill the same edutainment role in other parts of the interweb.

Glade Runner wrote

Great I'm just an idiot and a dumbass for having an opinion that doesn't agree with you.  I won't bother to share what I love with you all anymore since my point of view isn't respected whatsoever.  I'm not on here pretending to be a know it all and I actually value what others with more experience share.  I don't go around calling people names on forums but, I've seen multiple people on here do it.  If I don't like what someone has to say I don't insult them with name calling.  If you got something to say like that to me, then straight up go fuck yourself.  I'll be at the mountains all winter long and if you don't like it I'm not hard to find.  I make major sacrifices in life to make what I do in the winter my priority and I will be out every single time it snows all over the east.

Dude -- you need thicker skin 'round here

Noah John wrote

Do you guys argue more with your friends and family as winter approaches?  

Not argue, but I'm definitely more of a miserable person this time of year. It's a combination of lack of excercise (night mtb rides help, but with weather like we've had lately, it's hard to motivate), not having skied (not awful now, but when skiing pics start floating in from friends out west...), dark mornings and nights, and election season (ads and office conversations are infuriating).

I think "we need snow" is perfectly justified. I was happy last year after the toll road October trip and the early season Jay Peak mission.