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PowderAssassin

Re: Most important safety feature

Harvey wrote

tBatt wrote

yaknow

Is that ya-know or yak-now?

Regardless I think it was our esteemed colleague Yanick Noah John from the SkiAdk thread who pointed out that once you start putting netting up all over the place, then the lawyers will go nuts if you get hurt in a spot without netting.

Like how you have to pad the lift towers and you can't open trails if every tower isn't padded, but you still have trees and snowguns and gapers everywhere to crash into. Maybe they could pad the gapers.*

*disclaimer: I am a gaper

Snow guns should be padded as well and are at many places

They need people enforcing speed/skiing in control within your ability on trails. More ski patrol needed for sure. You have total morons skiing way to fast and out of control on many occasions. But even good skiers skiing at moderate speed can run into a tree, thus the need to net the trails. I haven't heard a single reasonable argument about why not to net the trails. Only disgusting comments by glade about "thinning out the herd". Tell that to someone whose lost a loved one.

14-15 Season:

11-22 Snow Ridge (opening day 35") 1-7 Snow Ridge (10")
11-28 Grand targhee 1-8 Telluride(12 inches)
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1-11 mt bactchelor(20 inches)
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12-10 Whistler(20 inches)
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12-28 Chugatch backcountry(bottomless powder)

freeheeln

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Spongeworthy wrote

freeheeln wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Ski areas should NET the edge of the trails

Putting up these nets would cause a drastic decrease in numbers of deaths.

gore was being progressive with the netting on chatimac , who knew

The netting on the right shoulder of Upper Chatiemac was the result of the idiots who skied off it 6 years ago looking for fresh pow in the trees, not knowing that they were heading for Bakers Mills and NOT back to the mountain. Their asses were saved by 2 ski patrollers - Jeff Palka was the one who schlepped back up the mountain, and I can't remember the name of the woman who stayed with the idiots and kept them from freezing to death.

sponge thought you would recognize the spin on that curve ball

Tele turns are optional not mandatory.

PowderAssassin

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Glade Runner wrote

You keep asking why we would not want to save lifes. But the ski resorts are overcrowded as it is and we are overpopulated. We need to knock off some people somehow its like survival of the fittest. I say put more obstacles and more hazards on the trails so there's more deaths. This would scare begginners and intermediates from even coming out and crowding the resorts. With less people there it will save the resorts money by not having to install high-speed quads to keep up with crowds. Besides who wants nets on the side of trails don't you like to weave in an out of the edges of the trees on trails? after all that's where most of the powder ends up.

Sure at overcrowded EC ski areas that groom most of their trails on weekends that I don't go to anyway.

Ok...this is who I'm arguing with. Somebody who wants more deaths? WOW...ok glade.

Thehof

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On a serious note:
I know lazlo of plattekill is looking for said netting for powder puff trail. If anyone knows where he get some at a good price let him know. Just because Platty will have some doesn't mean powder ass is incouraged to come by.

"No Falls=No Bslls

PowderAssassin

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Thehof wrote

On a serious note:
I know lazlo of plattekill is looking for said netting for powder puff trail. If anyone knows where he get some at a good price let him know. Just because Platty will have some doesn't mean powder ass is incouraged to come by.

encouraged...I know I shouldn't be talking about spelling, but I couldn't resists. LOL

JTG4eva!

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In reply to this post by PowderAssassin

D@mn, I thought Assassins were the number one cause of death at ski areas. Oh, wait....they just Assassinate the powdah!

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

MC2 5678F589

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PowderAssassin wrote

There's no netting next to the trees in that picture. Where is that, Snow Ridge? There must be thousands of deaths there per year. How did that skier even survive that run?

Harvey

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I encourage all skiers to check out Plattekill. We need the business. It is one of those rare places where you have a shot a pow on the trails for more than a run or two.

I remember that pow day at Snow Ridge, it was mid-December last year after a huge dump - like five feet of snow. I wasn't there, but I'm pretty sure Powderqueen posted a TR from that day. There was pow on the trails that day.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

freeheeln

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pow ,please give us an estimate of the linear footage and cost with supports wf and gore would need. next please give us an estimate on the labor $ on installing and maintaining the proper functional height throughout the ski season.

Tele turns are optional not mandatory.

Harvey

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freeheeln wrote

pow ,please give us an estimate of the linear footage and cost with supports wf and gore would need. next please give us an estimate on the labor $ on installing and maintaining the proper functional height throughout the ski season.

I think that's the real story here. Who knows it might help, but it would probably be pricey. I guess if you, or one you love is saved by orange netting then it was worth it.

The female patrol who assisted Jeff Palka on the rescue off Chatiemac at Gore was Tara.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

JTG4eva!

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In reply to this post by freeheeln

I like this solution better.......make everyone ski in these!

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

JTG4eva!

Re: Most important safety feature

.....or like this!

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

PowderAssassin

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freeheeln wrote

pow ,please give us an estimate of the linear footage and cost with supports wf and gore would need. next please give us an estimate on the labor $ on installing and maintaining the proper functional height throughout the ski season.

Probably less than one lawsuit from a death

And way cheaper than blowing snow. It's just netting. It's pennies compared to what ski areas spend on other stuff. 10 million + for one lift at mt snow to be installed. Putting up netting is peanuts compared to that stuff.

MC2 5678F589

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I know I shouldn't prolong this dumbass thread, but what is PowAss's end game here? Big orange fences and nets all over every ski area? And he doesn't see why this is a dumb idea?

God, snow can't fall fast enough. Make this insanity end.

timbly

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I wonder if it'd be more cost effective to have ski manufacturers start making their bases out of mohair & nylon instead of p-tex?
Also, Powder Assistant, please stay away from whitewater paddling.

BigK75

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I hate to say this but I kind of agree with PA on this one but only for certain heavily used trails. From recent memory most of the deaths I recall from Whiteface have been on Excelsior (I could be wrong about that). Skiers will always challenge themselves whether it be advanced skiers or beginners. It just seems to me that its always the beginners on Intermediate trails.

We see the same thing in Blue Mountain (Ontario). Every year for the last few years we have lost an out of control skier on a Blue run.

Just my opinion.

Claude

ontarioskiblog.com

Glade Runner

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PowderAssassin wrote

freeheeln wrote

pow ,please give us an estimate of the linear footage and cost with supports wf and gore would need. next please give us an estimate on the labor $ on installing and maintaining the proper functional height throughout the ski season.

Probably less than one lawsuit from a death
And way cheaper than blowing snow. It's just netting. It's pennies compared to what ski areas spend on other stuff. 10 million + for one lift at mt snow to be installed. Putting up netting is peanuts compared to that stuff.

Well I would disagree with you here because there are no lawsuits due to skiers taking on the risk when purchasing a lift ticket and waivering resorts liability for accidents. So yes netting as cheap as it may be is still more than lawsuits for people dying on trails since there aren't any. So what there are a few deaths a year. Who cares? And if it is me one day then so be it. At least I will die doing what I love. I would guarantee there are more deaths per year travelling to the resorts during snowstorms than deaths on the mountain. So no one should travel till the roads are cleared right? So much for all the powder you don't already get.

MC2 5678F589

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I hate Excelsior now that it's a superhighway for shitty skiers who see a gondola at the bottom of the mountain and just stupidly jump on it, regardless of their ability. It's one of the most unsafe trails at Whiteface (Wilmington trail, Boreen and Lower Valley are the others).

But I still don't want to see it covered in nets. Whoever made the point earlier in this dumb thread is right. If you put them in one spot, then a skier skis into the woods and dies in another spot, you get sued. And yes, between the lawyers, the medical bills, and the pain and suffering, that costs a pretty penny.

freeheeln

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PowderAssassin wrote

freeheeln wrote

pow ,please give us an estimate of the linear footage and cost with supports wf and gore would need. next please give us an estimate on the labor $ on installing and maintaining the proper functional height throughout the ski season.

Probably less than one lawsuit from a death
And way cheaper than blowing snow. It's just netting. It's pennies compared to what ski areas spend on other stuff. 10 million + for one lift at mt snow to be installed. Putting up netting is peanuts compared to that stuff.

just the facts maam http://www.reliableracing.com/category2.cfm?category=730

Tele turns are optional not mandatory.

PeeTex

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In reply to this post by Glade Runner

Let's get real, assume they opt for the netting. Do you realize most of it will need to come down when they groom the trail, and definitely when snow making. Snow makers need access to the hydrants and the blown wet snow will pull the fences down. If the groomers have to maintain a safe distance from the fences you will end up with a berm that will launch skiers.

No one wants anybody to get hurt, that's insane. However, society cannot protect everyone from all risks. If you think the trail is too risky, go some place else. Take some responsibility for your own actions and stop asking society to protect you from yourself.

Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces between the trees.

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