NY Residency for Attending a SUNY?

Coach Z wrote

x10003q wrote

All you need to establish residency in NYS (as the guardian) is a rental lease and some sort of utility bill. The SUNY system is a high quality bargain.

The parent needs to have a NYS drivers list and have filed income taxes in NYS according to the SUNY web site

1. Not everybody drives.
2. People move at different times of the year, there is a good chance you have not yet filed in NYS.
3. I just went thru this with my son.

Yea sorry about my rant. Footer especially.  Things can get misdirected.

To be clear, I tend to go by the book, especially when dealing with the govt.  Was wondering what the rules are, not trying to circumvent them.  

Lots of good info here.  Sounds like I need to move a year in advance, at least.  Maybe I could telecommute for that last year, manage construction of a home, whatever.

State schools here are really good, from what I can tell.  This is more about wanting to live in NY, having DD reasonably closeby and being solvent in retirement.

x10003q wrote

Coach Z wrote

x10003q wrote

All you need to establish residency in NYS (as the guardian) is a rental lease and some sort of utility bill. The SUNY system is a high quality bargain.

The parent needs to have a NYS drivers list and have filed income taxes in NYS according to the SUNY web site

1. Not everybody drives.
2. People move at different times of the year, there is a good chance you have not yet filed in NYS.
3. I just went thru this with my son.

ZING!

Harv
i believe you need to establish residency in ny state to make it work. if your kid lives in a state that you do not that opens up other issues. you can no longer claim them as a tax write off, not a big deal. since they are no longer a dependent the kid needs there own health insurance. that may wipe out any cost savings. if it was as easy as buying porperties out of staters would just buy investment properties in college towns and have there kids live there. you are paying rent anyway, plus a $10,000 - $15,000 tution savings would make the investment property a no brainer

agree

that is why I tend to seriously doubt X's assertation that all you need is to rent an apartment and have a utility bill.  I also understand Vermont has even tougher standards to prove residency.  

Who the heck doesn't drive?

The Suny web site says you need to have residency for a min of 12 months prior to applying and prove residency with multiple methods from the below list enough to support the claim.  12 months prior to application would mean at least a year and a half before attending classes.

B. Proof of Domicile

Proof of a New York State domicile is demonstrated by documents that support an applicant’s contention that his or her permanent home is located in New York State. For unemancipated students, the campus shall review documents pertaining to at least three of the following factors relevant to the determination of a New York State domicile by the parent or legal guardian, including but not limited to:


1.    duration of the student’s physical presence in New York State;
 

2.    state of residency of the student's family (i.e., parents, spouse or children);


3.    New York State voter registration;


4.    New York State driver's license or non-driver identification card;


5.    New York State motor vehicle registration;


6.    proof of ownership of New York State real property;


7.    residential lease for property in New York State;
 

8.    New York State income tax returns; and


9.    New York State bank accounts.


An applicant need not submit all of the above documentation in order to demonstrate a New York State domicile; however, the campus should examine the totality of the circumstances in each individual case.

Lots of people in NYC don't have drivers licenses.

Something else occurs to me. If we can't work out the residency in NY but we move we may not have a "residence" in any state.

What we want is your state income taxes.  So if you want to have your cake and eat it too, get yourself a North River PO Box, call your North River address your primary domicile (the permanent home to which you intend to return whenever absent), obtain a NYS driver's license, register your cars here, register to vote here, and pay New York state income tax (you'll still have to pay NJ income taxes since that's where you work, but you'll get a credit on your NJ return for the taxes paid to NY).  

Looks like it's probably not to be.  If it is really about state income tax who knows it might actually work. Our company has an office in NYC and I've paid NY state income tax since 2006.  Not sure if it is the full amount. Regardless it's likely that that will not be in play in nine years.

Yet ANOTHER factor , SUNY schools in high demand are way less likely to anything other than the MOST conservative interpretation of the combinations of MULTIple Factors in the process. ...Just saying that having been at the other end of this process wHen i did these evals i was particularly vigilant and was a strict constructionist .

Read that : easier to get a camel thru the eye of a needle

I would think that a high school grad from a NJ school is going to get the full investigation into ones domicile if applying to. SUNY school for in state tuition.  You can play accounting games but if her transcripts stay NJ in them it would be tough sledding.  

Coach Z wrote

agree

that is why I tend to seriously doubt X's assertation that all you need is to rent an apartment and have a utility bill.  I also understand Vermont has even tougher standards to prove residency.  

You can doubt all you want. It was all that was needed for my son and his mom.

Coach Z wrote

Who the heck doesn't drive?

I am always amazed and entertained when I see ignorance and arrogance wrapped up in a nice little package.
There are approximately 8.5 million people in the 5 boroughs of NYC and approximately 6.5 million over the age of 19.
There are about 3.47 million driver's licenses in the 5 boroughs of NYC. That makes about 3 million people who do not have licenses in the 5 boroughs of NYC. You need to look beyond the range of your hands before you spout off.
http://dmv.ny.gov/statistic/2013licinforce.pdf

Coach Z wrote

The Suny web site says you need to have residency for a min of 12 months prior to applying and prove residency with multiple methods from the below list enough to support the claim.  12 months prior to application would mean at least a year and a half before attending classes.

If this were true for a parent or guardian, then the parent or guardian would not be a resident of the state they moved from (logically) and the state they have moved to. Once the parent or guardian establishes residency they are the resident of the state.

Coach Z wrote

B. Proof of Domicile

Proof of a New York State domicile is demonstrated by documents that support an applicant’s contention that his or her permanent home is located in New York State. For unemancipated students, the campus shall review documents pertaining to at least three of the following factors relevant to the determination of a New York State domicile by the parent or legal guardian, including but not limited to:


1.    duration of the student’s physical presence in New York State;
 

2.    state of residency of the student's family (i.e., parents, spouse or children);


3.    New York State voter registration;


4.    New York State driver's license or non-driver identification card;


5.    New York State motor vehicle registration;


6.    proof of ownership of New York State real property;


7.    residential lease for property in New York State;
 

8.    New York State income tax returns; and


9.    New York State bank accounts.


An applicant need not submit all of the above documentation in order to demonstrate a New York State domicile; however, the campus should examine the totality of the circumstances in each individual case.

I highlighted the part you didn't read.

If they don't gave a drivers lisc they must have some other form of state ID or else you can't function in society.  You need ID to complete many credit card transactions, check into a hotel, get on a plane, get a checking account.  

I have a hard time wrapping my head around city folk in general and living without a car is as foreign to me as is for them to be over 30 miles from a shopping center.

To warps point who used to work in that world the higher the SUNY you apply to the more proof you need.  Which SUNY is your kid attending?  As a tax payer I'm not happy about it but again it's not that surprising it is NYS not quite Illinos but not one of the better run states like WY or Texas.

Coach it isnt even limited to the premier SUNY institution that offer programs through the doctorate ,  but ANY SIGNATURE PROGRAM. Ie (very competitve admission at even at the TWO year Technical institutions will be highly scrutinized .

 ..... So to reiterate any highly competitive program at any level with both high demand and  strong job placement

So Warp how did X succeed in just getting a lease and score the savings?  If it were that easy everyone would do that all across the country to attend the out of state school of thier choice.

Coach Z wrote

To warps point who used to work in that world the higher the SUNY you apply to the more proof you need.  Which SUNY is your kid attending?  As a tax payer I'm not happy about it but again it's not that surprising it is NYS not quite Illinos but not one of the better run states like WY or Texas.

Well in Texas you are more likely to be both murdered by a criminal and executed by the state! What a place!

Coach Z wrote

Which SUNY is your kid attending?

Hey I have no idea if I can convince my 9 year old to go to a state school.  All I can do is tell her how much I will pay.

Change in plans anyway.  I can't have you guys all pissed at me.  I'm moving to ny. Will pay out of state for as long as I have too then will switch if they let me.

As long as I can sit by the woodstove and watch the Benghazi hearings in my old age I'm good.

Harvey wrote

Coach Z wrote

Which SUNY is your kid attending?

Hey I have no idea if I can convince my 9 year old to go to a state school.  All I can do is tell her how much I will pay.

Change in plans anyway.  I can't have you guys all pissed at me.  I'm moving to ny. Will pay out of state for as long as I have too then will switch if they let me.

As long as I can sit by the woodstove and watch the Benghazi hearings in my old age I'm good.

Forget about what college or where, rather spend the next 4 years building a strong bond because in 4 years your sweet little girl will turn into a bag of hormones that will barely talk to you and make you feel like a shit heel when she does.
If you can keep her from going boy crazy for the next 5 years after that then you can worry about college. At that point you will likely be happy no matter where she goes just as long as she gets out of the house. Yes, you will miss her, but as long as she is progressing on a path of indepedance and is not pregnant in some shack in Bakers Mills you will be happy.

Ouch
Makes me glad I have just a son

Forget about what college or where, rather spend the next 4 years building a strong bond because in 4 years your sweet little girl will turn into a bag of hormones that will barely talk to you and make you feel like a shit heel when she does.
If you can keep her from going boy crazy for the next 5 years after that then you can worry about college. At that point you will likely be happy no matter where she goes just as long as she gets out of the house. Yes, you will miss her, but as long as she is progressing on a path of indepedance and is not pregnant in some shack in Bakers Mills you will be happy.


 Good stuff and true..
I have 2 girls...
One is like Sheldon (Big Bang) and the other is the opposite.. Poor Harv is in for a ride...13yrs thru 18yrs is exhausting..