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You'll never see me on a rail...and as long as I ski in the east mostly, I will prefer non rocker...maybe that will change if I have enough money for a quiver but for now...65 for cruising and 70 underfoot for everything else

Hey Ted...I'll donate my Gray Rossi 4s's 205 to the cause.  They might be a little wider underfoot than the Elans...BTW I have a pair of those too and actually skied them last year...My girls won't let me take them out of the house anymore
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Anyone play on a Rossi S3 rocker? If so, what size, thoughts on hardpack, etc
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Anyone play on a Rossi S3 rocker? If so, what size, thoughts on hardpack, etc
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Sick Bird Rider sent me this link. It's worth a read:

http://blistergearreview.com/articles/skiing-101-safer-skiing-the-case-for-fatter-rockered-skis
"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp
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Sick Bird Rider Skis at Jay Peak, and, as the article mentions, Rocker is really important for powder/crud/mank/cut up junk/corn/etc. Most people who ski Gore and Whiteface just don't deal with those kinds of conditions very often (count the number of days this year where that is the predominant condition . . . I think you'll be surprised).

I think I'd rock the Sir Francis Bacons if Gore got 355" a year like Jay does.

But, on the other hand, I'm thinking of getting a 94mm waisted ski as my daily driver this year (traditional camber), so who am I to talk? And I'm also thinking of getting a 121mm waisted, full rockered ski and taking it to Alaska or Jackson Hole this spring. And wouldn't think twice about using the superfat rockered ski on a powder day at Gore.

Just wish we got more of them.
Sick Bird Rider Sick Bird Rider
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I demoed a pair of Salomon Enduros (86 or 88 in the waist?) last winter with some tip rocker (full report here). Conditions were funny, sort of corn snow starting to re-freeze. After a couple of runs on those I returned to the Prophets, promptly hooked the tip and fell on my ass right under the chairlift. Very embarrassing.  This experience convinced me that tip rocker was the way to go. I decided to get the Bacons over the new Prophet 98 because they are lighter, more versatile, a little more floaty and will be easier to turn. All of this will help me be a better skier in my old age and stay off the DL.

Along with the Bacons I will also have other choices and am pondering getting Quiver Killers so I can swap around tele and alpine binders between the Bacons and the Sickies. The Sick Birds, at 94 mm, are currently mounted tele along with my old Fischer Big Stix 75s. The Sick Birds are a killer groomer/crud ski but too stiff to a be an effective powder ski for me (or I am just too much of weakling to make them work). The Big Stix are a great La La La cruise-y kind of ski for those La La La cruise-y days.

A few skis I considered that would match Matt's needs for the daily driver but have some tip rocker:

Salomon Enduro 850 (maybe on the narrow and heavy side)

Salomon Sentinel

K2 Hardside

Line Prophet 98 or 90

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. It SNOWED briefly at SBRHQ this morning! No accumulation but there were snowflakes in the air. Woo Hoo!
Love Jay Peak? Hate Jay Peak? You might enjoy this: The Real Jay Peak Snow Report
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Atomic Savage Ti 93 underfoot with slight tip rocker. Skied them everyday last year and was never disappointed. The slight tip rocker is amazing at how it just smooths things out. I will never have a ski without at least tip rocker from now on. I am converted...rocker rocks!!
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CMR CMR
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Darkside Shaman wrote
Atomic Savage Ti 93 underfoot with slight tip rocker. Skied them everyday last year and was never disappointed. The slight tip rocker is amazing at how it just smooths things out. I will never have a ski without at least tip rocker from now on. I am converted...rocker rocks!!
How did they handle on groomers or icy conditions?  Are they maneuverable enough in the trees? Does the rocker have any disadvantages for typical on piste eastern skiing?  
Darkside Shaman Darkside Shaman
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They are an Atomic so as long as you have a good edge they will hold like a rocket sled on rails, and they love to go fast.
Tree skiing is where they shine and I feel the rocker has a lot do with this as they definitely ski shorter, so they turn quicker, and smear with ease. In my experience I cannot think of any condition that I encountered last year, from the early season rock hard man-made to the nice powder dumps and the soft cream were treated to in the spring, they rip everything!
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How did they handle on groomers or icy conditions?
I ran into Shaman on Lies at Gore on 12/19 last year.  Conditions at the top were extremely difficult. Snowmaking had ended the day before and the headwall was a bulletproof mound.  There really was only one way down on skiers left. It was a luge run, not a full ski length wide and super slick.  Shaman on those Atomics, pondered a minute and then pulled of an incredible succession of three jump turns to make it through.

That may be more of a testament to his skills vs the skis but it shows it's at least possible for a talented skier to use a rockered ski on ice.  My own performance on that same pitch could lead to a different conclusion about a less talented skier.
"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp
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