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I see that rocker is the next new big thing, but is it just more hype to get us to buy new gear, like 3D HDTV? Seems like it make sense out west, but I'm extremely skeptical about the claims that it will be good in the east.

I'm quite satisfied with my quiver, but I'm curious. Just more Kool-Aid offered by a struggling industry?
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tBatt tBatt
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I'm about in the same boat as you. I can't see how it could be beneficial on groomers/hardpack. I think it would be nice in some deeper snow though.
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x2.
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Like super fat skis .. the advantage is in deep pow. More control in that situation, effortless turning. Like every ski parameter it's a trade off. Probably doesn't make sense for us Gore guys.

SBR is a Jay Peak guy, and he swears by rockered skis, and that makes sense.

Ah.. the upslope...

Sick Bird Rider on the Groomers
SBR on some groomer
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I would have rockers too (or whatever works) if I was a Jay Peak guy. I've been out west (CO, UT, MT) a number of times, but the best powder I ever skied was at Jay. Gore is only occasionally blessed with the dumps that Jay gets regularly.

BTW, if anyone in North Creek does travel to Jay (via Rouses Point exit) how long is the trip?
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Last time I did that,I spent the night in Plattsburgh so it wasn't a direct route. It wasn't more than an hour from Plattsburgh if that helps.

On a side note, I just found out that the Clarkson ski club will reimburse you for your gas money if you drive to Whiteface, Gore, or Jay. They already have buses that bring you to Whiteface but, regardless, an awesome deal. I hope they give me some nice financial aid if I get in. This whole Buffalo thing isn't quite doing it for me.
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fujative wrote
 This whole Buffalo thing isn't quite doing it for me.
Hehe. I wondered what you were thinkin when you decided to go that way. How 'bout this.... You chose that route cuz of educational priorities, proirities that will get you a better job later in life so you can ski your bootee off the rest of your life vs 4 years. Plus, you'll get more snow there, some huge dumps, Holiday Valley, et al. Can't be all bad.

How's the Babe quality there?

I remember back in the day when Edinburgh state college in NW Penna had a 7 to 1 female to male ratio. Even the squints got puddin.
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Truth about Rocker

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There is no doubt that the ski industry is really talking up rocker as the next generation of skis. Is this a ploy to get you to buy new skis or is it a real benefit to skis. Well this is what we need to look at. The ski industry is in a major sales slump right now. To give you an example 5 years ago 1.5 million skis were sold in the US. Last year 600K were sold. Ski companies are coming up with new ideas to get skiers to buy skis. They also want you to buy more than one ski. I relate this to whitewater kayaking. We use to have one boat. Now we have a play boat, creek boat, big water boat etc.

So lets talk about rocker. Rocker is basically the camber of the ski. Traditional skis have camber that wants to push the edges of the ski toward the snow. This works great generally on our East Coast conditions where more edge equals more edge grip. In powder you want the ski to float so reverse camber is the answer. You do not need edges in powder all you want the ski to do is float. Until a few year ago that's all we had and that why everybody thinks rocker is for powder skis. Lets take a look at ways rocker can help a beginner skier. If I have a rockered tip it will be harder for the beginner skier to catch an edge upon turn initiation. This is why you will see this year a lot of rentals are going to be rockered. So there are ways rocker can help a ski and a skier. I think the problem most of us are having is we think of rocker as being huge. I have seen these beginner rockered skis and they are very subtle as to the rocker. So all in all rocker is here to stay. Right now we talk about skis as what the tip, waist and tail. In a few years the industry want us to describe a ski as whats the waist and whats the rocker. We will see how this goes.  
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Wow. that sales differental is huge.....low cost ski equipment on the horizion?
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Spongeworthy wrote
I see that rocker is the next new big thing, but is it just more hype to get us to buy new gear, like 3D HDTV? Seems like it make sense out west, but I'm extremely skeptical about the claims that it will be good in the east.
Were you also skeptical about fat skis, twin-tips, shaped skis, parabolic skis, "short skis," the Graduated Length Method, releasable bindings, Howard Head's radical new metal laminates and the introduction of steel edges? I think it is good sign that ski designers are investing in R&D, testing new shapes and trying to make skiing easier for us. And of course, encourage us all to expand our quivers. Sure, rocker may not be for everyone but if you ever ski on ungroomed terrain, at least a little tip rise makes a lot of sense. For a better explanation, see JMP's "The truth About Rocker," just posted as I was typing this.

Harvey44 wrote
SBR on some groomer
Oh, and Harv, that photo of me was actually taken on a rare icy day at Jay. I was trying desperately to get my big, fat, no-camber skis to turn on the hardpack and was spraying up ice chips like an out-of-control Zamboni.
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