Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Harvey wrote

There's something that isn't apples to apples about the grading system.  Mad's grade is about it's position, no snowmaking and two lifts.  Plattekill had an A+ on opening day 100% today they have less terrain.

 Resorts aren't all apples so I think grading them with a single system is not that easy. But in fairness to Sno, he came up with a grading standard and then applied it to the places he knew about. Using his grading system, the grades seem fair and clearly the grades could change as lifts open/close. Gore's layout may make an A harder to acheive, but it's also clear they are lagging by a lot.

tom

Sno , sometimes i bust your chops ,but on this effort i think you are doing decent job of classifying and trying to evaluate .

Happy trails !
W  

snoloco wrote

Then don't read this thread.

HEY!! You're not the boss of me

Can we grade it on a curve so we can pull a C- ?  

Gore gets a C as soon as they open a second route to the summit.

I like the aggressive new snoloco...  just a couple days on our beloved and he's dropping the f bomb!  NJ be proud.   

ScottyJack wrote

I like the aggressive new snoloco...  just a couple days on our beloved and he's dropping the f bomb!  NJ be proud.  

Si Petite Homme, Jr ! He's now got cajones.

I suggest you come up with a grading scheme that works both times in the season.

Harvey wrote

There's something that isn't apples to apples about the grading system.  Mad's grade is about it's position, no snowmaking and two lifts.  Plattekill had an A+ on opening day 100% today they have less terrain.

Gore could improve their grade by selling (lol) Burnt Ridge and the Ski Bowl but it wouldn't change the skiing today.  Kind of like when Gore removed glades from the percent open number a few years ago. That didn't really change anything but the number.

I like the idea sno but you aren't measuring the same thing in all cases.

Yep - it's just subjective bull crap

After skiing Belleayre today, I feel the need to lower their grade from a B to a B-

They opened all lifts for Christmas, which gets them into the B category, but clearly expanded terrain that way just to say they did.  They have not done any resurfacing since the thaw in early December, unlike Windham and Hunter, which have done so multiple times.  Trails were very icy, and while I can ski them fine, the lower ability levels were struggling.  To open the last lift (Tomahawk), they needed to cover a full route off that lift (Seneca) and open all the connector trails (Route 9, Expressway, Tomahawk Crossing).  That's basically 3 full trails worth of snowmaking to ski one.

The sno plan for early season terrain expansion calls for opening all lifts for Christmas at just about all costs.  However, there were no liftlines at Belleayre today, even though it's a holiday week, so that means that opening all lifts might not have been an absolute must like I say it is for some mountains.  Tomahawk and Lift 7 were running mostly empty, and assuming all people that were skiing Tomahawk would've skied Lift 7 if Tomahawk were closed, there still would've been no line.

If they chose not to open Tomahawk and instead resurfaced all the other open trails at least once, and opened up a couple more runs off Lift 7/Supercheif, there probably would've been better conditions, and still no significant lift lines.  I enjoyed all my runs on Seneca and support their decision to expand terrain there, but it clearly caused subpar conditions elsewhere, and I just wanted to provide an alternative viewpoint.

ScottyJack wrote

I like the aggressive new snoloco...  just a couple days on our beloved and he's dropping the f bomb!  NJ be proud.  

Well you can take the kid out of Jersey but you'll never take the Jersey out of the kid!

PeeTex wrote

Yep - it's just subjective bull crap

What about the pitchers of beer specials during apres? Has this imperative aspect been overlooked for Sno's grading system?

For shame.....

raisingarizona wrote

PeeTex wrote

Yep - it's just subjective bull crap

What about the pitchers of beer specials during apres? Has this imperative aspect been overlooked for Sno's grading system?

For shame.....

More importantly - the ability to do the tail gate BBQ in the parking lot.

PeeTex wrote

More importantly - the ability to do the tail gate BBQ in the parking lot.


BAM! Haha! yup.

Or just to take it a step further, the ability to camp out in the parking lot!

Just try that sh#t at a Vail resort!

raisingarizona wrote

Or just to take it a step further, the ability to camp out in the parking lot!

Just try that sh#t at a Vail resort!

Find a resort near a Walmart, they use to have a policy of allowing parking lot campers - not sure if they still do or not.

raisingarizona wrote

Well you can take the kid out of Jersey but you'll never take the Jersey out of the kid!

You can't take me out of Jersey, or the Jersey out of me because I never lived there!!

snoloco wrote

raisingarizona wrote

Well you can take the kid out of Jersey but you'll never take the Jersey out of the kid!

You can't take me out of Jersey, or the Jersey out of me because I never lived there!!

Sure Sno...sure.

PeeTex wrote

Find a resort near a Walmart, they use to have a policy of allowing parking lot campers - not sure if they still do or not.

Well shoot, if there is snow on the ground and I'm at a Wallmart I might just throw on the skinny glider skis and hunt around the parking lot for lost treasures and dirty little lot lizards.

raisingarizona wrote

snoloco wrote

raisingarizona wrote

Well you can take the kid out of Jersey but you'll never take the Jersey out of the kid!

You can't take me out of Jersey, or the Jersey out of me because I never lived there!!

Sure Sno...sure.

Hehehe. Must be driving you cra cra, eh Sno ?

RA, " NJ " is a reference to a troll who used to prowl and growl here, not New Jersey. Sno's a Yorker.

Carry on.