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campgottagopee

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

NJ was far from a troll. He was a ball-buster that too many people took seriously. Don't forget how serious the intRaWebZ
are

JTG4eva!

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

snoloco wrote

I just wanted to provide an alternative viewpoint.

Dayum......Sno's gonna render us all obsolete and just carry on conversations with himself!

Contradictory ones at that (open all lifts, don't open all lifts.....blue, no yel.....auuuugh!)

So, a higher grade if Belle DIDN'T follow the Sno-approved all lifts by Christmas plan? Ha, the HS kid from Joi-sie might just be learning a little summin' summin'!

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** yes, we all know you are a college freshman who isn't from New Jersey! Stop letting peeps get a rise out of you by saying it and.....they'll stop saying it. All in good fun, petit homme!!!

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

snoloco

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

My grading scheme would've given them a C or C+ if Tomahawk wasn't open, but it neglects anything but terrain and lift availability.

I said I supported the decision to open Tomahawk, but I could understand why someone else wouldn't think it was a good idea. I'd think being able to understand other people's opinions would be a good thing.

I've lived in New York my entire life.

JTG4eva!

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

snoloco wrote

I'd think being able to understand other people's opinions would be a good thing.

Very much agreed! Sometimes the things we think are so simple and obvious......aren't so simple and obvious.

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

Brownski

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

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snoloco wrote

My grading scheme would've given them a C or C+ if Tomahawk wasn't open, but it neglects anything but terrain and lift availability.

I said I supported the decision to open Tomahawk, but I could understand why someone else wouldn't think it was a good idea. I'd think being able to understand other people's opinions would be a good thing.

Yes it is a good thing. I give you credit for being able to evolve.

"You want your skis? Go get 'em!" -W. Miller

raisingarizona

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

at this point all I've gotten from this thread is the fact that snowballs and loco are lovers. I read something about a report card but it was way too long winded and I lost interest

Snowballs

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Banned User

raisingarizona wrote

at this point all I've gotten from this thread is the fact that snowballs and loco are lovers. I read something about a report card but it was way too long winded and I lost interest

Blessed are the peace makers.

raisingarizona

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

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snoloco wrote

You can't take me out of Jersey, or the Jersey out of me because I never lived there!!

Look Sno, all I'm saying is that you should be proud of your roots, there isn't anything wrong with being from New Jersey, I lived there for seven years growing up and it wasn't all bad.

Harvey

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Administrator

This post was updated on .

So apparently the good people at NYSEF are all talking about "Harvey's" Mountain grading thread.

Doh!

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

Brownski

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

This post was updated on .

Harvey wrote

So apparently the good people at NYSEF are all talking about "Harvey's" Mountain grading thread.

Doh!

Doh!!!! if I had a nickel for every time I thought "why did I sit next to the loudmouth?"

"You want your skis? Go get 'em!" -W. Miller

campgottagopee

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

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There goes my "W" for who the hell cares

Snowballs

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Banned User

campgottagopee wrote

There goes my "W" for who the hell cares

Careful. That letter sets off the Libs big time. They go all " Niagara Falls ? Slowly I turn. Step by step...."

Matt could go off and instantly write 50 pages of crap.

snoloco

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

I'm creating a new grading scheme for MLK Weekend.

A: All lifts, close to 100% terrain open, in good condition.

B: All lifts, close to 100% terrain open in mediocre condition or less terrain open but in good condition.

C: All lifts, limited terrain off some, mediocre conditions.

D: Some lifts not open, not a large effect on crowds, management did everything they could to try and expand terrain as much as possible.

F: Some lifts not open, large effect on crowds and/or management pissed away snowmaking opportunities that would've opened all the lifts.

Reasoning behind this: Since it's now January, it's the heart of the season, with the largest crowds, and the best way to spread out the crowds is to open all the lifts, so that's weighted very heavily. Having almost everything open and in good conditions is not an easy thing to do, but the places that can do it will provide an amazing ski experience this weekend and will stand out. Having close to everything open, but less desirable conditions or less open but in good condition would still be a good experience, but not exceptional like at the mountains that are getting A's. If there's limited terrain off some lifts, but they're all open, and mediocre conditions, you still tried to get all the lifts open, but there's still room for improvement.

Having lifts closed on a busy holiday weekend in the middle of the season is a sure fire way to piss off your customers, so any lifts closed gets a D or an F. Exception is redundant lifts that aren't open due to crowds.

Difference between D and F is that for a D, management tried to expand terrain as much as they could given their limitations on snowmaking, and an F means that they didn't use their capacity to it's full potential and that's the reason there are lifts closed that shouldn't be.

I will post all the grades following this weekend.

I've lived in New York my entire life.

evantful

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

This post was updated on .

So based on your ranting in the other thread you created a new grading scheme so you can give Whiteface an F.

The issue is with your F rating in regards to "management pissed away snowmaking opportunities" is that its pure speculation on your part, given there are many variables that simply you or I are not privy too to say that they didn't try.

Amazingly enough Whiteface was some how skiable on Holiday weekends prior to the lookout pod opening in 2008, and certainly wasn't some end of days shit show you keep talking about.

In business you are a problem customer, the amount of money you pay for our good and service is simply not worth the perpetual negativity you bring.

JTG4eva!

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

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snoloco wrote

Reasoning behind this:........

Why, to give Whiteface an F, of course!!!

Best thing that can happen to everyone here, including Sno, is that Lookout is "left to rot" this season and doesn't open. Then Sno will take SnoDad's money and invest it in some VT resort as his home mountain in the future. Even if he doesn't find some other forum to pontificate on, at least maybe he'll stop obsessing about WF.

We REALLY need a proper roll eyes emoji!!

Harvey

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Administrator

We appreciate you guys bearing the load.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

campgottagopee

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

D.B. Cooper

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

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snoloco wrote

I'm creating a new grading scheme for MLK Weekend.

A: All lifts, close to 100% terrain open, in good condition.

B: All lifts, close to 100% terrain open in mediocre condition or less terrain open but in good condition.

C: All lifts, limited terrain off some, mediocre conditions.

D: Some lifts not open, not a large effect on crowds, management did everything they could to try and expand terrain as much as possible.

F: Some lifts not open, large effect on crowds and/or management pissed away snowmaking opportunities that would've opened all the lifts.

Where's Camp's W?

Sent from the driver's seat of my car while in motion.

Harvey

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

Administrator

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snoloco wrote

Time to grade ski resorts according to Christmas terrain availability. Grades are as follows.

A: All skiable, key lifts open, plenty of terrain off each lift.

B: All skiable, key lifts open, limited terrain off some lifts.

C: Some skiable, key lifts closed, little to no impact on crowds on other lifts, lots of terrain off open lifts.

D: Some skiable, key lifts closed, large impact to crowds elsewhere, limited terrain off some lifts.

F: Closed completely or WROD.

Skiable key lifts neglects real estate access lifts, or lifts that aren't necessary to run due to low crowds. For example, no points would be counted against Whiteface if the Mountain Run lift is closed, as long as LWF (which serves the same terrain, plus more) doesn't have a long line.

I will also give + or - to some ski areas.

Whiteface: Lookout chair and terrain closed, but large amount of terrain off open lifts. Little to no impact on crowds elsewhere. Grade: C+ (no B awarded unless all key lifts are open, but very good skiing experience)

Gore: Dark Side, Burnt Ridge, and Upper Ski Bowl terrain fully closed. Limited terrain off Straightbrook and North Side lifts. Closed lifts have major impact to crowds elsewhere. Dark Side lift closed means the AE2 can't be used to reach the upper mountain, and everyone going up there has to take the gondola, so Six Flags style line in the morning and post lunch rush. Not to mention if one thing goes wrong with the gondola, everyone is stuck below The Saddle. Grade D.

Belleayre: All key lifts open, but only one trail open off Tomahawk lift, and runout down to Superchief skied off to bare ice by 10am. Grade B

Hunter: Best snowmaking capacity out there, all lifts open, plenty of terrain off each lift. Grade A.

Windham: Almost the entire main mountain is open, plus some of East Peak is. All lifts open. Grade A.

Killington: All key lifts, and most snowmaking terrain open. Grade A+ (takes a huge amount of effort to get a mountain that size fully open for Christmas, but they did it).

Mountain Creek: All 4 peaks open and connected means all lifts are up and running. About 50% open after opening just 12 days ago, in a NJ climate. Some trails open that I've never seen open in December. Grade A+.

Disclaimer: My ratings only focus on terrain and lift availability, not how good overall a ski experience is.

Weather was just about as cooperative as it could be this year. Not sure of the grade, but the skiing has been good.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

snoloco

Re: Sno Report Card for Holiday Terrain Availability

You seem to be begging for me to make a return, so I guess I'll do the grades for this season.

Whiteface: D for being only 57% open while Gore and other ski areas are at least 80% open and some even being at or close to 100%. And a D is a gift because not only is the Lookout section not open (or even under snowmaking), but they seem to be having trouble staffing the Little Whiteface lift too, leaving a gondola line likely worse than what Killington or Stratton would have. Totally botched the holiday week is putting it lightly. They need to get their act together before I ski there again.

Gore: I usually do this on the day after Christmas and they would've gotten a C then for Burnt Ridge and Ski Bowl not being open, but tomorrow they are reporting 96% open and all lifts so an A.

Belleayre: B for all lifts open (not counting the gondola as it isn't finished being built yet) but limited terrain compared to Hunter and Windham.

Hunter and Windham both get A's.

Killington, Okemo, and Mount Snow also get A's. Stratton was a B, but opened more terrain since the day after Christmas and is now an A.

Mountain Creek started the day after Christmas with a C for having the connection between the peaks closed but now has a B for connecting them. Still terrain is quite limited, but not too far off from usual this time of year.

I've lived in New York my entire life.

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