Holly Holm

Rousey is a legit badass.....and Holm beat the stuffing out of her, threw her around like a rag doll, and finished her with a vicious head kick.  Discuss....

Not sure I'd banish either one for eatin' crackers.

How bad a beatdown?
http://nypost.com/2015/11/18/ronda-rousey-issued-6-month-medical-suspension-after-ufc-193/

Just looking at the pic of the knockout kick makes me wince.

I agree there is definitely not enough brutal senseless violence in the world. Sponsoring more is the only logical solution.

Maybe if I enjoyed watching it I'd feel differently.

Don't know much about it, but Rhonda's better lookin' IMO i.e. she could eat more crackers in my bed.

If my sense of beauty is somewhat similar to other's, I suspect that is part of her fame.  She's also very self confident and a great athlete.  It's a shame this is the way that needs to be showcased, but in terms of lizard brain response, this way wins.

Thing is, all great fighters go down eventually.  Tyson was an animal but once someone beat him (Buster Douglas), it was all downhill from there.  Once they figure out your weakness and can exploit it, it's usually not good for your career.  Maybe Rhonda will rally, figure out Holly's weaknesses, have a rematch and get back on her throne.  History says no, but it could happen.

And I doubt HH will enjoy the publicity that Rhonda did.  Might be she doesn't have the same attitude, or might be she just doesn't have the same overall package... we'll see... I paid attention for 5 min, now I really don't care anymore...

Harvey wrote

I agree there is definitely not enough brutal senseless violence in the world. Sponsoring more is the only logical solution.

Maybe if I enjoyed watching it I'd feel differently.

C'mon Harv, you sound like the guys in the NYS Legislature who won't legalize it in NY, despite the millions it could bring into the state. Do you feel the same way about boxing, or even football? What is senseless about a regulated sport that isn't forcing the participants to compete? We're not talking about gladiators in ancient Rome, are we?

Harvey wrote

I agree there is definitely not enough brutal senseless violence in the world. Sponsoring more is the only logical solution.

Maybe if I enjoyed watching it I'd feel differently.

I grew up a boxing fan primarily due to my Grandfather and Father both being fans. I've witnessed some of the best sportsmanship ever while watching a boxing match. To a boxer/fighter/brawler this isn't violence but head to head, winner take all sports. I remember watching all the greats Ali, Frazer, Lewis, Holyfield, Foreman, etc, etc, but it wasn't until I watched the Gatti vs Ward Trilogy that I truly understood what the sport was all about. Gatti vs Ward was nothing but competition and sportsmanship at it's highest level. Sadly, seeming like anything else now, boxing has become corporate BS and corrupt.

Sorry - but I can't support professional sports of any kind. I think the money they get is not commensurate with the value they bring to society. Should we ban it, no - but if as a society our value systems were not so screwed up we would not need to.

What is the name of the sport? I had no idea it wasn't legal in certain states.  

No matter how you feel, boxing and womens {whatever}, are basically equivalent except for the the sex of the combatants.

In football at least the stated goal is to move the ball. In boxing the goal is a knock out which is basically a brain injury.

Like I said if I liked watching, I'm sure I'd find a way to be okay with it. Pretty hypocritical.

PeeTex wrote

Sorry - but I can't support professional sports of any kind. I think the money they get is not commensurate with the value they bring to society.

Not a capitalist?  Maybe more of a bernie commy?

If you are a capitalist the money is commensurate. It all comes from people paying to see.

Harvey wrote

PeeTex wrote

Sorry - but I can't support professional sports of any kind. I think the money they get is not commensurate with the value they bring to society.

Not a capitalist?  Maybe more of a bernie commy?

If you are a capitalist the money is commensurate. It all comes from people paying to see.

So let me parse what I said because apparently you can't:
"I can't support Professional sports of any kind": That's my choice which does not impinge on your rights - a left winger would want to curtail your rights.
"I think the money they get is not commensurate with the value they bring": A very capitalist thing to say, if I were a leftist than I wouldn't care how much money we spend, heck I would probably put professional athletes on welfare - everyone should be on it - the leftist would say.

And finally your last statement "If you are a capitalist the money is commensurate. It all comes from people paying to see." Although from a free market sense this is true, I did say "I think" and was therefore expressing an opinion which both capitalists and commy's do every day and was not indicative of my political position and I did say that I do not support that market. I did not say we should regulate it out of existence, which is what a socialist would want.

So let me ask you this: Do you think an inspirational school teacher who influences the lives of hundreds of kids adds more or less value to society than a guy (or gal) who can throw a punch or for that matter a football? This is why I think our values are screwed up.

Haha - wow this took a turn.

Peetex, dude... I'm seen as pretty 'lefty' by everyone, and I do THE EXACT SAME THING YOU DO.  I've done it for years, probably even spouted off about it on a forum somewhere.  I don't support college sports either, but that's a bit different... I haven't supported a pro sports franchise or event since I graduated high school i.e. when I learned to think for myself.

It has nothing to do with left or right, conservative or liberal... it's just knowing how things work.  Your dollar is your vote - we are neither completely capitalist nor socialist (and that's a good thing, both extremes have negative consequences).  Anyone that knows this knows not to spend money on things they don't believe in...

Problem is I'm far, far in minority.  And I like sports.  I'll support any amateur sport and would much rather watch that than pros.

My main reason is it's not conducive to progressing culture.  I'd much rather see that money invested in science and arts than sports.

Really the difference is the people though.  Most of those who were great scientists were only interested in the science, they cared little about money... it was only a means to get them to their next stage of learning.  Look at Tesla.  He died penniless and came from nothing.  Probably one of the purest pursuits in recent times.

Same can be said for many great artists.

We haven't evolved beyond might is right.  At least not the majority.  And that's why professional sports will remain popular.  It has nothing to do with left or right.

If you think the way the money flows is not commensurate, you're not a pure capitalist.  Society pays way more for sports than teachers.

I pretty much agree with Mike on most of that.

I think it's redonkulous than the guy inside madison square garden beating the shit out of another guy with a stick makes a million dollars and the guy doing the same in an alley behind the garden goes to jail.

You seem to be looking for stuff to get pissed about. I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that it's capitalism in action. You and 200 million others start boycotting sports and voting for school tax increases and you get what you want, maybe.

Says the over paid consultant.

Harvey wrote

If you think the way the money flows is not commensurate, you're not a pure capitalist.  Society pays way more for sports than teachers.

I pretty much agree with Mike on most of that.

I think it's redonkulous than the guy inside madison square garden beating the shit out of another guy with a stick makes a million dollars and the guy doing the same in an alley behind the garden goes to jail.

You seem to be looking for stuff to get pissed about. I wasn't disagreeing with you just saying that it's capitalism in action. You and 200 million others start boycotting sports and voting for school tax increases and you get what you want, maybe.

No, not pissed. Just expressing an opinion. You seemed to want to start a debate about it. Why don't you take the time to read my original post. If you did, then why don't you exercise a few synapses and actually try to comprehend it.

I completely disagree with your first statement: A pure capitalist believes that the government should stay out of the economy, didn't I say we should not regulate it. Commensurate means that you should get something of equal value to what you pay. You failed to answer my question which leads me to believe you just want to pick a fight. Hey - hits are hits, good for the ad revenue, stir the pot. A true capitalist at work.  

MikeK wrote

Peetex, dude... I'm seen as pretty 'lefty' by everyone, and I do THE EXACT SAME THING YOU DO.  I've done it for years, probably even spouted off about it on a forum somewhere.  I don't support college sports either, but that's a bit different... I haven't supported a pro sports franchise or event since I graduated high school i.e. when I learned to think for myself.

It has nothing to do with left or right, conservative or liberal... it's just knowing how things work.  Your dollar is your vote - we are neither completely capitalist nor socialist (and that's a good thing, both extremes have negative consequences).  Anyone that knows this knows not to spend money on things they don't believe in...

It has nothing to do with left or right.

Exactly.

Not that I'm a huge fan, but on the subject of Mixed Martial Arts (MMA, that's what it's called Harvey ), I think many people fail to appreciate the athleticism and skill involved because they can't see past the violence and blood.  Tell me what all of these are..... boxing, judo, taekwondo, wrestling and wushu.  Ok, I'll tell you.  Current Olympic sports or, in the case of wushu, sports continually considered for future Olympic competitions.  MMA is all of those, and then some.  The strikes, takedowns, grappling and submission techniques are drawn from all of those 'Olympic' disciplines, and more.  In today's MMA (which, granted, is a far cry from some of the street brawl nonsense some associate MMA with) the competitors are extremely skilled and supremely conditioned.  Yes, the violence level is high because MMA productions do pander to primal survival instincts.  The method of scoring and victory (render you opponent unconscious, or rip his or her arm or leg out of socket, or generally fuck them up and leave them bloody in the attempt) is different from Olympic scoring, where protective gear and points scored for hits determine the winner, but that doesn't detract from the skill and technique.  One could argue it makes those skills and techniques more real, better appreciated.  Fighting and Martial Arts weren't derived from a need to score points, they were developed as a means to survive, and MMA gets back to those primal instincts, for better or for worse.  It should also be noted that, while violent and at times bloody, MMA is not no holds barred, it is regulated.

On sports and capitalism.....today's sports environment and salary structure is purely the result of supply and demand, which is at the very heart of all capitalist models.

^^True.

Commensurate is the rub I guess.  We are using it in two ways. You are saying commensurate in your opinion, I'm saying commensurate as determined by the collective spending of the market.  If you read what I said, we're actually agreeing.

If we aren't agreeing (I think we are) then why do kick boxers make more than teachers? I don't get it.

Your write a lot of stuff, some really long, and your right I don't read all of it.  Also the thing about how I am disagreeing with you to drive revenue is tired. Believe what you like but the site doesn't generate positive cash.

JT.. I haven't seen more than a clip, so I shouldn't judge.  It looked like the one lady was unconscious and the other one was beating her in the head.  I'm not doc but my guess is there is some permanent damage to her brain.

One person's opinion might be that, when supply and demand run amok, salaries/prices are not commensurate with a particular product that is being provided.......while someone else's observation might be that supply and demand cannot run amok, salaries and prices are purely based on what the market will bear, and therefore are commensurate with the particular product that is being provided.