Peak Resorts Reports Results

Sno you said that terrain should never be added if snowmaking isn't added at the same time. If one season is ok, what about two? What is the cutoff?

What is your opinion of the dark side glade, double barrel or high pines? Should those trails be closed to avoid having trails without snowmaking?  The have some rocks too, should Gore remove them?

What percentage of trails in the northeast conform to your blasted, bulldozed, manmade standard? Can you stfu about those few trails that don't conform?

Harvey wrote

Sno you said that terrain should never be added if snowmaking isn't added at the same time. If one season is ok, what about two? What is the cutoff?

What is your opinion of the dark side glade, double barrel or high pines? Should those trails be closed to avoid having trails without snowmaking?  The have some rocks too, should Gore remove them?

What percentage of trails in the northeast conform to your blasted, bulldozed, manmade standard? Can you stfu about those few trails that don't conform?

Speaking of Gore - what about upper Darby? Blast those rocks, grade it out and make it just like lower Darby...
These trails are a treat, like a taste of Glass Eels, one can only enjoy them to their fullest extent a few times in life. Yes, blast it and grade it out, add snow making and then you have turned a rare delicacy into a big Mac.

Ideally, 100% coverage of trails, but ideal and realistic are separate things.  Realistically, at least 90% of actual trails need snowmaking.  Glades (High Pines, Dark Side Glades, Double Barrel) are by definition natural snow, and don't count in the percentage.  All lifts must have at least 1 trail off of them with snowmaking and ALL connections between mountain areas must have it, right away, no exceptions, or the new lift doesn't get built.  Gore has plumbing in all the essential locations, except Wood Out and Pipeline.  They just need the extra capacity to use it.  I say 2 season cutoff with no snowmaking before you decide to spend money elsewhere.

Harvey wrote

dark side glade, double barrel or high pines

These are lift lines that I suspect the mountain claimed as glades because people were skiing them anyway, All they had to do was put some pads on the towers and the trail count went up. Add snow making - ridiculous, they get the trail count for almost free. However when you add the other glades, this is adding skiable terrain that falls under the trail limits. It spreads people out as it takes a lot more time to go through this terrain than to ski a groomed trail (except if your Charlie).

Lets face it - this year sucked. My only good days were those few had in Tahoe. Sure I had a lot of good turns here. I gave up on BC here this year. More snow making would have not made my ski days better, it would have made my time doing base repair and tuning a little less. This is just me - I get bored with typical resort skiing by noon anyway and if we don't have a healthy base in the BC by mid Feb - the season sucks and if we don't have deep corn by now it really sucks.

PeeTex wrote

The best use for snowmaking in the east is to establish a base for when the real snow comes during January, Feb and early March. After that it is to have the depth to have good spring conditions. As a primary surface it sucks unless you are racing gates.

Exactly.  Snowmaking provides the foundation.  It is not the end-all be-all.

Sno is going to blow it with a certain market. Sure you can make another Okemo and attract that crowd but then you are pigenheld (is that word legit? don't care you get it) as that place for rich boring white people from the tri state region. A McSki experience. That 100% coverage imo would be a bad thing.

Sure you want their money to run a successful mountain but son't scare away the cool kids by being too lame.

Peak Resorts stock at an all time low of $3.00 a share.

They wasted too much money on snowmaking

snoloco wrote

Glades (High Pines, Dark Side Glades, Double Barrel) are by definition natural snow, and don't count in the percentage.

So the key is to define trails as natural until you have the money to put in pipe and then reclassify.  Cool?

I'd like to see Peak succeed but and will resist the urge to post my own I told you so thread if they collapse under a mountain of debt.

Maybe to spare the more genteel forum members the stress we'll create a separate subforum for I told you so threads.  All posts would be required to have the same name.

Obviously they need to stop wasting so much money on snow making

More luxury time shares!

They would've lost even more money if they didn't invest in snowmaking.  Wildcat's entire system broke and they had to replace it.  That's a lot of the cost right there.  I think they've been moving too fast, but investing in the right things.  If ORDA wasn't using taxpayer dollars, they would've collapsed under a mountain of debt for pissing away money on more glades instead of upgrading the snowmaking on existing trails.

Just read on Alpinezone that mass layoffs are coming for Peak Resorts.  I'd like to see what their annual report says when that comes out.

Those glades don't grow on trees!

snoloco wrote

Just read on Alpinezone that mass layoffs are coming for Peak Resorts.  I'd like to see what their annual report says when that comes out.

Um, that almost always happens at this time of year at every ski resort, like, everywhere. It's a seasonal business.

And, don't use Alpinezone as a financial news reference, please.

Benny Profane wrote

And, don't use Alpinezone as a financial news reference, please.

And don't use Fox for news...

Peak can kiss my ass..
Just wait and see how they start cutting cost next year...
Hunter's discount card made the place somewhat palatable..Now Peak wants me to lay out 600 beans...No No..
With walk up price at or close to 80..They have lost a 40yr customer..
When the skiing is good , I'll just go to Platt...

It doesn't have to be $600.  Non holiday pass is $500 and you only miss out on days when you'd rather be at Plattekill anyways.  Just in case you didn't know, Peak opened Annapurna, which hadn't opened in 5 years.  I fully expect them to do the same next year.

I'd jump right on the Peak Pass deal if I wasn't considering going to college early.  If I go to college early, my closest mountains will be Whiteface and I'll get a pass there.

I only have Saturday off..The math doesn't work for me...

So that's why you're so cranky most of the time.  You're stuck in a cubicle 9-5 all but 1 day a week.