ski patrol lurking in Bubba's Gulch

I heard on Sunday that last weekend a patroller hid in the gulch and waited until NYSEF kids and a coach went through and then pulled all of their passes.  

That would be hard to believe. It may have happened but it would surprise me. If true, combined with the other posts in this vein, then the times are changing, Something must have happened to prompt said change.

So, does Gore have an official policy towards off map woods skiing?  

Forget the beacon, I'm bringing my stealth gear to Whiteface.

Marcski wrote

So, does Gore have an official policy towards off map woods skiing?

Sounds like a good question for the face book page, let's get this out in the open, would save me a lot of hiking if the policy is open.

Marcski wrote

So, does Gore have an official policy towards off map woods skiing?

Yes. It's not allowed and can result in loss of your lift ticket, depending on the ski patroller who catches you. If that's NOT the policy, we've been sneaking in and out of them for no good reason.

All it takes is for someone to do something stupid to result in the kind of crackdown we seem to have here. In February 2010, after a great dump of snow, two different groups skied off the right shoulder of upper Chatiemac, heading towards Bakers Mills, with no way back to the mountain, resulting in two arduous overnight rescues (Jeff Palka was one of the heroic patrollers who rescued one group).

I haven't heard what may have happened, but I do know that Gore refuses to charge for such rescues, although it could, because it might deter people from calling for help. The only other enforcement option is to pull lift tickets.

PeeTex wrote

Marcski wrote

Sounds like a good question for the face book page, let's get this out in the open, would save me a lot of hiking if the policy is open.

Please keep it her and don't go to facebook. You'll just feed the trolls.

It was the last day of nysef and they were a little out of control and my kid is in nysef

I didn't hear this from my son and I'm sure I would have had it happened

That said bubba could readily be roped if they truly wanted to close It and it's not roped.   If you want something closed put a long rope all the way across it otherwise live and let ski. Don't make the kids guess.

Given the attitude of management to put almost comical terrain features just about anywhere lately I doubt thus is coming from the top.  What's more of a liability issues some tight trees in a gully where who can't go more than 10 mph or a 50 ft kicker that if you don't go 30+ you won't clear the landing?

Coach Z wrote

It was the last day of nysef and they were a little out of control and my kid is in nysef

I didn't hear this from my son and I'm sure I would have had it happened

That said bubba could readily be roped if they truly wanted to close It and it's not roped.   If you want something closed put a long rope all the way across it otherwise live and let ski. Don't make the kids guess.

Given the attitude of management to put almost comical terrain features just about anywhere lately I doubt thus is coming from the top.  What's more of a liability issues some tight trees in a gully where who can't go more than 10 mph or a 50 ft kicker that if you don't go 30+ you won't clear the landing?

So are you saying that the patroller or for that matter mtn management should be charged with theft?

He is saying he does not think that was the case. You hear a lot of things..by the time the story got to you its not the same.  If someone on NYSEF got there pass taken he would have known.  They are a pretty uptight group.


And if you want to do something why ask for an answer you may not like.  Just do it.  

Spongeworthy wrote

PeeTex wrote

Marcski wrote

Sounds like a good question for the face book page, let's get this out in the open, would save me a lot of hiking if the policy is open.

Please keep it her and don't go to facebook. You'll just feed the trolls.

Agreed. Don't ask a question that you don't really want answered.

Danzilla wrote

Spongeworthy wrote

PeeTex wrote

Marcski wrote

Sounds like a good question for the face book page, let's get this out in the open, would save me a lot of hiking if the policy is open.

Please keep it her and don't go to facebook. You'll just feed the trolls.

Agreed. Don't ask a question that you don't really want answered.

The way I see it, if it is not a designated trail it can't be closed and if it isn't closed you can ski it. If they pulled a pass for that then they have broken the law, not you.

There you go.  You answered your own question. Go getem tiger

PeeTex wrote

Danzilla wrote

Spongeworthy wrote

PeeTex wrote

Marcski wrote

Sounds like a good question for the face book page, let's get this out in the open, would save me a lot of hiking if the policy is open.

Please keep it her and don't go to facebook. You'll just feed the trolls.

Agreed. Don't ask a question that you don't really want answered.

The way I see it, if it is not a designated trail it can't be closed and if it isn't closed you can ski it. If they pulled a pass for that then they have broken the law, not you.

That may be the way you see it, however, that's not the law. When you buy a lift ticket or pass in New York State, you agree to abide by the "Safety In Skiing Code", Article 18 of the New York General Obligations law.

Amongst, LOTS of other things in this law, section 18-105 begins:

§ 18-105. Duties  of  skiers.  All  skiers  shall  have  the following duties:
    1. Not to ski in any area not designated for skiing;

I hear camp knows a bit about article 18

I hear Camp knows a lot about Depends!  hahahahahahahaha

Face4Me wrote

Amongst, LOTS of other things in this law, section 18-105 begins:

§ 18-105. Duties  of  skiers.  All  skiers  shall  have  the following duties:
    1. Not to ski in any area not designated for skiing;

I have read Article 18 - all of it. I would suggest you look at the "LOTS of other things". Given your interpretation any area not marked as an open ski trail ANYWHERE in the state of NY would be illegal to ski, including your own property.

PeeTex wrote

Face4Me wrote

Amongst, LOTS of other things in this law, section 18-105 begins:

§ 18-105. Duties  of  skiers.  All  skiers  shall  have  the following duties:
    1. Not to ski in any area not designated for skiing;

I have read Article 18 - all of it. I would suggest you look at the "LOTS of other things". Given your interpretation any area not marked as an open ski trail ANYWHERE in the state of NY would be illegal to ski, including your own property.

There is a definition in section 18-102 that reads:

6. "Skier" means any person wearing a  ski  or  skis  and  any  person
  actually  on a ski slope or trail located at a ski area, for the purpose
  of skiing.

Interesting ... it doesn't say anything about snow boarders!!!

Face4Me wrote

PeeTex wrote

Face4Me wrote

Amongst, LOTS of other things in this law, section 18-105 begins:

§ 18-105. Duties  of  skiers.  All  skiers  shall  have  the following duties:
    1. Not to ski in any area not designated for skiing;

I have read Article 18 - all of it. I would suggest you look at the "LOTS of other things". Given your interpretation any area not marked as an open ski trail ANYWHERE in the state of NY would be illegal to ski, including your own property.

There is a definition in section 18-102 that reads:

6. "Skier" means any person wearing a  ski  or  skis  and  any  person
  actually  on a ski slope or trail located at a ski area, for the purpose
  of skiing.

Interesting ... it doesn't say anything about snow boarders!!!

That is part of what is left out, but there is more - much more...
Lets just say it is a poorly written law.

PeeTex wrote

That is part of what is left out, but there is more - much more...
Lets just say it is a poorly written law.

Do you know of many that aren't?