What's next?

JasonWx wrote

I went to shoprite yesterday..bounty towels 8 pk 11.50..Bacon usual price.

I think the supply chains are being disrupted in some places & not others.

I also think some stores are bumping up prices on the things that are selling out.

Time to buy more Target stock

JasonWx wrote

I went to shoprite yesterday..bounty towels 8 pk 11.50..Bacon usual price.

Hey, at least you guys found paper towels!  Bacon costs the same as ever by me.  Wrong news, wrong stores.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TTOC!

Masks maybe help you 10% it's helps other people 75% thats why you wear one... But you know that. And choose not to. Dick move. Helmets only protect you.                                                                                          

JTG4eva! wrote

JasonWx wrote

I went to shoprite yesterday..bounty towels 8 pk 11.50..Bacon usual price.

Hey, at least you guys found paper towels!  Bacon costs the same as ever by me.  Wrong news, wrong stores.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

TTOC!

they even had clorox wipes

tjf1967 wrote

Masks maybe help you 10% it's helps other people 75% thats why you wear one... But you know that. And choose not to. Dick move. Helmets only protect you.

You are attempting to shame me for not wearing a mask when the mask order is lifted?

Are we seriously at this point?

Harvey wrote

I had assumed that by saying "What's next?" the OP meant "What is next?"

Broski?

I’m sorry, I was genuinely busy with my essential work today. I think you probably know that I didn’t intend it to get as political as it did. Beyond that, honestly,  I don’t what you guys are talking about. $20/barrel oil is going to slow a transition to green energy, not accelerate it. High unemployment is going to slow the push for an increased minimum wage. The relief checks currently going out are a temporary fix. They aren’t going to become a basic minimum income. I think people already produce more art nowadays then ever before. You may not like the stuff that gets produced but people puke out new “art” on a constant basis.

Things would have to get much much worse then they’re likely to get to give you the “reset” that some folks seem to desire. I think that would entail a lot more pain then I want to see the country go through.

It’s all good though, have at it. If nobody gives a shit whether their barber or their florist gets to reopen or are ruined financially by this, we don’t have to talk about it. I’m concerned that a lot of people employed in the gray economy aren’t going to be able access the assistance that’s available to most of us so getting businesses open again is important to help them too.

Personally, I’m growing a beard and so far it looks like shit.

Yeah I'm shaming you. Did you feel it.

tjf1967 wrote

Yeah I'm shaming you. Did you feel it.

Not in the slightest

Florist yes. Barber no

Brownski wrote

honestly,  I don’t what you guys are talking about. $20/barrel oil is going to slow a transition to green energy, not accelerate it. High unemployment is going to slow the push for an increased minimum wage. The relief checks currently going out are a temporary fix. They aren’t going to become a basic minimum income. I think people already produce more art nowadays then ever before. You may not like the stuff that gets produced but people puke out new “art” on a constant basis.

Things would have to get much much worse then they’re likely to get to give you the “reset” that some folks seem to desire. I think that would entail a lot more pain then I want to see the country go through.

Right. I'm saying that nothing will really change. We aren't in the midst of a Revolution, and we won't be because we're going to bungle our way through this and be skiing by November.

It sucks that 40,000-60,000 people will die. It sucks that 15-30% of people will be unemployed & on the government dole for a while. It really sucks that big business is going to use this as an excuse to cut wages (and benefits, probably). It sucks that the poor, sick, and old will suffer the most from this. But you guys calling for revolution have to understand: too many people have too much invested in the current system to support even the tiniest of changes (Biden will be called a "socialist" for wanting to lower the Medicare age to 60).

I would love a workers-based revolution. These giant corporations are screwing people, and we should be furious about it. Instead, we'll lay down, accept whatever excuse the businesses give us this time (for why they can't pay us more, for why they're destroying the environment, etc.), and we'll take our pay cut and shuffle off because at least now we can get a haircut and a carwash.

MC2 5678F589 wrote

the types of people that should be elected

I've been out social distancing. Never saw a woodchuck 👎

I bet we agree on the types of people that should be elected. I'm certain we agree on the qualities of a good leader.

Right.  I totally get what you're saying, and I do agree we are going too far in some areas.  

Just to give you a window into my opinion.... I wear a mask because god forbid I come into contact with anyone's family member and infect and eventually cause them to die unnecessarily.  I do this because my wife works in a hospital, and she probably brings the virus home everyday.  They make their best efforts at containment within the hospital, but there have been some inevitable blunders, and deep cleaning the entire facility in simply not realistic at this point.

I understand that the potential benefits may be marginal at best.  I feel like a complete ass in my town because I would estimate only 25% percent compliance with the given recommendation.  It makes me a bit paranoid at the weed store... 8 stoned people in the store, and 3 of them have Jihadists style masks.  It was pretty hot an sweaty in the valley on Monday as we nearly hit eighty.  I personally am looking forward to the forthcoming apocalypse, and I have a pretty cool looking mask.

In summary, I dislike the idea of wearing a mask, but I also want to minimize the potential risk of contributing to the death of your parents or my parents or anyone's family members unnecessarily.  

Thanks for the taking the time to articulate your opinion. It seems that I may have underestimated your compassion for humanity.... I also thought you would be wearing one simply because Trump refuses to also... One could say for the first time your actually taking his side.

Please don't spend the next 8 hours combing through past posts to prove that you often "bend the knee" to the Majestic and All-Power-full King Trump.  I always knew you were a closet Trumper.

     

MC2 5678F589 wrote

I don't feel like the protection offered adds *that much* to normal (especially if you keep your distance from people as I plan on doing), it's going to be hot and sweaty in the summer, I'm not paying money for some super-mask (although super-mask production is a great business to get into right now, especially if it looks cool), and I don't want to feel like I'm in some fucking apocalypse movie (not yet, anyway).

nepa wrote

 I also thought you would be wearing one simply because Trump refuses to also... One could say for the first time your actually taking his side.

I was actually a bit worried that by Trump not wearing the mask, and Biden wearing the mask, Trump would look comparatively "strong" to the dummies that vote in Presidential elections (I might have compassion for humanity, but I don't have a high opinion of their collective intellect after 2016).

Biden should get a Punisher mask or some shit. Really just turn the whole thing into the WWE Monday Night Raw episode that this country deserves.

nepa wrote

.  I do this because my wife works in a hospital, and she probably brings the virus home everyday.

I would wear a mask if this was the case.

I'd also be even more paranoid about getting it than I already am. What weed strains are you smoking that tamp down the anxiety?

nepa wrote

Just to give you a window into my opinion.... I wear a mask because god forbid I come into contact with anyone's family member and infect and eventually cause them to die unnecessarily.  I do this because my wife works in a hospital, and she probably brings the virus home everyday.

To each his own.  I personally do not care if people where them or not.  I saw a young woman wearing a mask while jogging through the neighborhood...people love the drama.

MC2 5678F589 wrote

nepa wrote

.  I do this because my wife works in a hospital, and she probably brings the virus home everyday.

I would wear a mask if this was the case.

I'd also be even more paranoid about getting it than I already am. What weed strains are you smoking that tamp down the anxiety?

I'm smoke week mostly for fun and to help me sleep.  Cartidges are my go to method.  Yoda OG and Pink Cookies were on sale this week... BOGO.  


I use Kratom for chronic anxiety issues.  Is kratom legal over there?    

Oddly enough, I haven't felt too bad about this mess... I tend to avoid large crowds and for that matter people all together.  This event really hasn't disrupted things for me.  I worry about my wife, but at the end of the day, it's more important for her to do her job.  

I think more people have immunity than we think, and would venture to guess that half of the people participating in this conversation are already immune.  My wife and I lead a pretty healthy lifestlye... I shit you not, neither of us has been sick in about a decade.  We both get injured often, but very rarely get sick.  Although I'm considerably worried about the economic implications, I think the potential loss of life is still high.  When I think of it on a human/personal level, like if a family member were killed (my father's cousin is currently recovering in a hospital in Hartford) it makes the decision to keep most things locked down for a little while longer not seem like that tough of a choice.  

I wonder if most of the population in the harder hit ares aren’t already immune.  I think everybody agrees that we need much faster and more widespread testing to fill in what we still don’t know about this thing. I’m not optimistic that we’ll have a vaccine in time to make a difference but maybe herd immunity + more effective treatment would go a long way to defanging the covid.

nepa wrote

 
I think more people have immunity than we think, and would venture to guess that half of the people participating in this conversation are already immune.  

I think this, too. I also think that it's kind of a horrifying thought because that kind of spread (that easy, that fast) means that if the virus was deadlier, we really would have been at black plague levels of population destruction.

[Not that anyone cares (I REALLY am not that important - just some putz engineer trying to make a living) but I'm in a hotel in Newark, DE tonight.  About 5 people here.  Front parking lot is empty - front desk said "if you're out of state then park behind the hotel...state troopers too lazy to look back there".  Supposedly DE troopers are stopping out of state plates and giving lectures - drove right by two of them this morning and they didn't do squat.]

Brownski wrote

I wonder if most of the population in the harder hit ares aren’t already immune.  I think everybody agrees that we need much faster and more widespread testing to fill in what we still don’t know about this thing. I’m not optimistic that we’ll have a vaccine in time to make a difference but maybe herd immunity + more effective treatment would go a long way to defanging the covid.

I truly believe that this thing rolled through Upstate NY (think NYS thruway between Albany and Buffalo) between the last week of February and the second week of March.  I'm basing this on purely anecdotal cases including myself, wife and the many clients that I've visited over the last few weeks.  Each had two or more of the symptoms; some went to the doctor and tested negative for influenza.  Anecdotal yes, but as someone mentioned, anecdotal cases are what they are but they did happen.

Brownski - I agree with the herd immunity, respectfully disagree with more testing.  In the end CV is a flu-like illness that preys upon (mostly) the same segments of population that influenza affects.  "Social distancing" may be of some help in "flattening the curve" but in the end I don't think it makes much of a difference in total cases, deaths, etc.  I do not want testing to be the new form of governmental control.

Hypertension and diabetes (these two are mostly code words for obesity) and age are the major comorbidities for CV.  As a "somewhat older guy" (age 57) I can't control the age thing but can control the other two.  I hope that Americans wake up and start taking care of themselves but doubt that they will.  FWIW, I base a lot of my views on hearing from my daughter who works in a NJ hospital and has a birds-eye view on who is dying and who is surviving.  She's telling me that morbid obesity, young or old, is pretty much a death sentence.  Amazing to see my 30 year old "kid" become as tough as nails when it comes to life and death.  That said, I am married to a nurse so I know how they are - often joke that I'll someday have a massive MI and my wife will tell me "just go lay down for a few hours" LOL.  

On a positive note, I think we should all get together and ski this winter.  I haven't had the pleasure to meet any of you other than Brownski (my wife and I met you at a Plattekill "tree trail trimming day" 2 years ago).  Despite our differences, in reality we care most about skiing.  It would be a great bash.  Would also be great to meet the man who runs this website (thanks Harvey)!

Agree, I just don’t see this shut down going much longer. For a couple reasons one being at some point people are gonna have to pay bills and will do what they have to do. This will probably be started by business opening regardless of this unconstitutional mandate form local and state governments.

 Second being people are just getting tired of it, I can’t believe it’s been as civilized as it been so far and think this will change shortly. Don’t get me wrong I think we should of done something but shutting down the whole country I think is a mistake. Take my area, most people affected are in senior homes. How they get it? Ok workers bringing it in “fine” but you would think more people would be affected.
 
My thinking is most people have been exposed to virus and are immune or unaffected. I think when we all get tested and we will all be forced to at some point ,you’ll find that.