Alta and NoVT Snow Totals

Harvey wrote

The other thing it points out is how little snow it takes to make the East go off. Gore has had 23 inches this month. 30 since Jan 25 when this run sorta started (I think).  That's one moderate size storm for Alta.

Reminds me of one of Warren Miller's great one liners about western ski conditions - "4 feet of snow over 5 feet of rocks"

Snow making, snow density and humidity make a big difference.

Harvey wrote

This was pointed out to me by noted Snow Statistician Tony Crocker.

Snow totals this season to date:

Alta 201"
Stowe 193"
Jay Peak 223"

Even if you think Jay Peak engages is a bit of exaggeration, Stowe is the gold standard in reporting and may well pass Alta by the end of the current storm.

I wonder how long it has been since Stowe was ahead of Alta at this time of year?

Ask Mr. crocker for specific links to where he gets his data from on his site for his snowfall averages he lists.

Most of the trails at stowe are groomed anyway. Compare that to the amount of terrain at alta...give me a break.

I put as much weight in stowe's measurements as I do jay peaks. Do you think northern vermont gets more than double the snowfall of the adirondacks on average?.....lol

So you think you'd be better off on the trails at jay vs alta this year for powder? LMAO

Here's another link showing NWS data from jay peak at the base with an average snowfall of 222 inches. Most of the snow gets blown off the summit at jay peak so you're really skiing base to mid mountain. Even at the summit of mansfield they can't crack 225 inches, forget over 300. PAY ATTENTION TO ELEVATION. The aspen measurement was taken at 8000 feet. It goes all the way to 11,000 feet at the summit.

Wolf creek measurement was taken at the base. That's an unbelievable amount of snow. Nothing on the east could compare. 435 inch average. To say there's less than 90 inch difference between jay peak and wolf creek is patently absurd.

TABLE 1. Annual snowfall at selected NWS cooperative stations near ski resorts. Sources include the
Western Region Climate Center, NOAA/National Climatic Data Center, and the National Weather
Service Forecast Office Burlington, VT.
From secrets of the greatest snow on earth report:
Link here
http://www.inscc.utah.edu/~u0028395/gsnow.pdf
What exactly will it take for you guys to see the OBVIOUS?

Harvey wrote

The other thing it points out is how little snow it takes to make the East go off. Gore has had 23 inches this month. 30 since Jan 25 when this run sorta started (I think).  That's one moderate size storm for Alta.

Man made snow. duh.... There's a reason places like grand targhee don't need any snow guns. And they can get above freezing as well.

You do realize we are having an awesome year?  Forget about annual averages, time to get off your couch and ski.  The adks have been kind of shafted compared to nvt so far.

I know it's hard to believe but here is the NOAA data - a rather respectable source don't ya think.



And another "Deep Pow day at Alta



Poor Alta - no snow and sitting at 66" base.
In a normal year I would go out west, this is no normal year.
Reports coming back from those who were there last week are not good. Not bad, but not good.

We should send our resident ignorant dip shit there for a first hand report - oh but no, there are no safety bars on some of the lifts and he might shit his britches.

PeeTex wrote

 We should send our resident ignorant dip shit there for a first hand report

wth, lol

Stowe gets more snow than the ADK because of lake effect from Champlain.

PeeTex wrote

I know it's hard to believe but here is the NOAA data - a rather respectable source don't ya think.



And another "Deep Pow day at Alta



Poor Alta - no snow and sitting at 66" base.
In a normal year I would go out west, this is no normal year.
Reports coming back from those who were there last week are not good. Not bad, but not good.

We should send our resident ignorant dip shit there for a first hand report - oh but no, there are no safety bars on some of the lifts and he might shit his britches.

Number 1. I absolutely trust that noaa site you just listed. It's average snowfall as reported at that site near the summit of mansfield is in the low to mid 200s and that's at the summit
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 Add up all the snow reported this year at that noaa site you just posted a pic of. Tell me if it matches what stowe reported. It's very simple. DO THAT OR PLEASE KEEP QUIET.

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Number 2. The snow stake which is above lift serviced terrain at stow at nearly 4000 feet. You can't extrapolate total snowfall based on snow depth at high elevation due to drifting that takes place.

 Snowfall depth above 3000 feet in the greens varies hugely in different spots at the same elevation due to drifting from tremendous winds even in the woods and the woods at near 4000 feet are badly wind effected/stunted growth. It's near tundra at that elevation.

 I'll give you an example. At certain spots at the summit of mt washington the snow depth might be a few inches. Go to tuckermans and it's 10 feet deep. That doesn't mean tucks gets more snow than the summit. It drifted in. It's a "bowl". There are no bowls at stowe at lift serviced terrain, but different spots in the woods have greater snow depth than others. So you can't make a direction correlation

Wind is a major problem once you get above 3000 feet in the greens. Look at all the wind closures even yesterday What do you think that does to powder? When it dumps 2 feet, isobars are packed tight and winds are even worse.

Benny Profane wrote

Stowe gets more snow than the ADK because of lake effect from Champlain.

lmao....It's not just more....it's DOUBLE. Go ask nws burlington(weather scientists) if the mild lake enhancement(what it really is) would cause more than double the amount of snow on average in northern vermont vs adks. You can see how little lake effect there is by looking at burlington vs oswego, ny. You can't compare a little lake enhancement off of champlain to the mesoscale banding lake effect off of ontario(which also can mildly hit the adk's). Keep trying though.

orographic lift(upslope) occurs in the adirondacks, northern vermont, or any mountain range. No one is debating that jasonwx, but nice try again....lol

two words...Orographic Lift

and by the way..how many times have you been to Stowe or Alta?

How many thousands of words has he written about snowfall totals..... enough of his dump.

Take the pledge....No more,,,, ignore !

Snowballs wrote

How many thousands of words has he written about snowfall totals..... enough of his dump.

Take the pledge....No more,,,, ignore !

Correct, I never thought I'd say this, but bring back Noah John!!  His arguments were pretty funny when I look back on them, and when he flamed me, I usually said something I should not have posted anyway.

wrong.  

JasonWx wrote

two words...Orographic Lift

and by the way..how many times have you been to Stowe or Alta?

I'd rather discuss pornographic lift

we can !!!! but Harv would have a stroke

I can handle anything you can dish out Jason.

How's this for a sexy model?

 

PowderAssassin wrote

PeeTex wrote

I know it's hard to believe but here is the NOAA data - a rather respectable source don't ya think.



And another "Deep Pow day at Alta



Poor Alta - no snow and sitting at 66" base.
In a normal year I would go out west, this is no normal year.
Reports coming back from those who were there last week are not good. Not bad, but not good.

We should send our resident ignorant dip shit there for a first hand report - oh but no, there are no safety bars on some of the lifts and he might shit his britches.

Number 1. I absolutely trust that noaa site you just listed. It's average snowfall as reported at that site near the summit of mansfield is in the low to mid 200s and that's at the summit
****************************************************************************

 Add up all the snow reported this year at that noaa site you just posted a pic of. Tell me if it matches what stowe reported. It's very simple. DO THAT OR PLEASE KEEP QUIET.

*******************************************************************************************

Number 2. The snow stake which is above lift serviced terrain at stow at nearly 4000 feet. You can't extrapolate total snowfall based on snow depth at high elevation due to drifting that takes place.

 Snowfall depth above 3000 feet in the greens varies hugely in different spots at the same elevation due to drifting from tremendous winds even in the woods and the woods at near 4000 feet are badly wind effected/stunted growth. It's near tundra at that elevation.

 I'll give you an example. At certain spots at the summit of mt washington the snow depth might be a few inches. Go to tuckermans and it's 10 feet deep. That doesn't mean tucks gets more snow than the summit. It drifted in. It's a "bowl". There are no bowls at stowe at lift serviced terrain, but different spots in the woods have greater snow depth than others. So you can't make a direction correlation

Wind is a major problem once you get above 3000 feet in the greens. Look at all the wind closures even yesterday What do you think that does to powder? When it dumps 2 feet, isobars are packed tight and winds are even worse.

Benny Profane wrote

Stowe gets more snow than the ADK because of lake effect from Champlain.

lmao....It's not just more....it's DOUBLE. Go ask nws burlington(weather scientists) if the mild lake enhancement(what it really is) would cause more than double the amount of snow on average in northern vermont vs adks. You can see how little lake effect there is by looking at burlington vs oswego, ny. You can't compare a little lake enhancement off of champlain to the mesoscale banding lake effect off of ontario(which also can mildly hit the adk's). Keep trying though.

orographic lift(upslope) occurs in the adirondacks, northern vermont, or any mountain range. No one is debating that jasonwx, but nice try again....lol

You have issues, son. Go have a few beers with Scotty Jack and both of you drive real fast down an icy mountain rode afterwards, OK?

They are calling yesterday and today the 2 worst days of the season at Alta:
http://www.thedailypow.com/alta-daily/worst-day-season/

Adk Jeff wrote

They are calling yesterday and today the 2 worst days of the season at Alta:
http://www.thedailypow.com/alta-daily/worst-day-season/

No, the Monday before last had to be worst, because a little storm rolled in spewing ice pellets in everybody's face while they had to ski the same chunky conditions, with some glare ice thrown in. Then the fog rolled in.

PeeTex wrote

 pornographic lift

That's called Schwing!

them mountain collective or whatever they are called passes would be a huge bust this season....  

Benny Profane wrote

 Go have a few beers with Scotty Jack  

No way could PowderPuff roll w/ Scotty --- NONE, ZIP, NADDA