City slickers are using VT as their virus hideout

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Harvey Harvey
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Sick Bird Rider wrote
This time it is different. Anthrax was fake news.
I don't think it's different.  Anthrax was sent. True it's almost impossible to truly weaponize it.  But the fear was real. That's what we are dealing with, fear. It doesn't matter if that fear is based in something real or not.  The fear itself is real.

The idea that there are geographic borders to covid is thin. No experts are a recommending "distancing" to reduce the number of people who will get it, it's just to slow it down.

We're balancing a health crisis with an economic crisis. The experts are inherently making a choice, that I agree with: human life is more important than economic growth.  If we valued economics over humanity, we might want everyone to hug, spread it around, kill off the weak and get back to the bull market as quickly as possible.

I'm not calling out toga, I assume he lives in a city too.

The phrase city slickers makes me feel like, hey man you're not welcome here.  Bums me out. Sorry man, we are facing some tough choices here, globally and in my company.
"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp
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I've noticed that there has been a lot of northbound out of state traffic on I-93 the past few days. I was initially dumbfounded when I saw it on Monday but I figured it out quickly. The same thing is happening in NH, just not on the same scale since the resorts have less bad base and Boston has less people and less of an issue than NYC.

The problem is that local hospitals are small and don't have strong capacity. Our rural hospitals might be able to handle local community spread (maybe, maybe not). But they will not be able to handle a doubling of the population that exacerbates community spread or causes it where it had not started yet.

Z wrote
Clearly if you have a second home you have a right to be here but if you are sick or have been exposed it’s extremely selfish to bring your illness to a small community where health care infrastructure lacks.
Yes, but most people don't know they have it until they have infected other people. It is selfish to do it even if you do not have symptoms. People coming in from out of state should assume that they already have the virus.

I keep coming back to this but people need to change their thinking on this virus. Stop thinking "I don't want to get it" and start thinking "I don't want to spread it". Until that happens, we're pretty much screwed.

People do have the right, they own the property. But that type of mentality is going to make everyone and our economy much worse off in the long run and could lead to increased deaths when hospitals become overrun and doctors need to start making the decisions that are being made in Italy right now.
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witch hobble wrote
Legitimate question though: if you KNEW that you had it, would you still choose to go?  Not only put yourself further away from big city or university doctors, but also potentially being the link of a new spread?
I think "big city & University doctors" are overrated and the way most people would do it, they wouldn't touch anything except for their own car & doorknob.

If you're just staying in one place, you'll infect as many people in one house (0) as you would in the other house (0).

As Harv says, it's going to be everywhere... We're just trying to flatten the curve and lower the speed of the spread. Anyone staying in one place (be it an infected person or an uninfected person, be it an affected area or an unaffected area) is better than a person going out all the time, hanging out in crowds, etc.
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Harvey wrote
Z wrote
where health care infrastructure lacks
It lacks in all of the USA.
That may be true but it’s much more pronounced in the Northern Daks.  it is probably less the case in the southern Daks closer to Queensbury and Saratoga.  Wilmington has a doc that drives over a couple days a week from Etown.  Jay only has a PA after the doc retired last yr.  LP does not have a hospital anymore and Saranac Lake has a very small ICU.  Usually any serious case gets sent to Burlington or Albany.  We need potentially infected city people to stay there instead of coming up here.  We need the limited capacity we do have for the elderly should this get really bad.

VT is actually in a much better position as they have major hospitals in Burlington and Dartmouth Hitchcock just over the River in NH
witch hobble witch hobble
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Matt, I have no faith that Americans in 2020 will truly be able to properly self quarantine for weeks. The number of interactions will be more than 0 for most people.  Eventually they will interact with the community.

I have it on good authority that Johnnyonthespot has a mountain stronghold with 3 weeks rations, a teenage bride, and  a couple thousand memes at the ready.
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riverc0il wrote
Yes, but most people don't know they have it until they have infected other people. It is selfish to do it even if you do not have symptoms. People coming in from out of state should assume that they already have the virus.

I keep coming back to this but people need to change their thinking on this virus. Stop thinking "I don't want to get it" and start thinking "I don't want to spread it". Until that happens, we're pretty much screwed.
Yep, you have hit the nail on the head.
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Translation the mtns have no capacity and will have to drive into the cities for healthcare.

We are all in this together.
"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp
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MC2 5678F589 wrote
This is a "humanity" situation. If people feel safer in their mountain house, you'd be a dick to tell them to stay off their own land. What are we doing here?
This.


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campgottagopee wrote
MC2 5678F589 wrote
feel safer
This.
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We may have more hospitals and doctors downstate but we also have over 20 million people.  I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio was actually worse down here.

I've seen so many posts on Instagram from the locals that are like:
"The season isn't over, Amazing skinning today!! LOCALS ONLY, if you don't live here STAY AWAY!!, #SkiTheEast #SocialDistancing
I don't have a second home but that rubs me the wrong way.  Much like Jackson Hole locals complaining about the tram lines, it's such hypocrisy to complain about tourists/out-of-towners when your livelihood depends on them.  If you live in a "resort" town you have to deal with tourists for better or worse.

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