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It was my understanding that 3 different weather patterns merged near Jay and that was what the Jay cloud was about.  But, you didn't answer me.  Have you ever been to Jay?  Or do you just trash talk it and then call people who do ride there morons?

Glade Runner wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

 Usually the snow that Jay gets doesn't show up on a radar and I'm sure it wouldn't show up on this outdated map either.  If you don't ride at Stowe, how can you have an opinion on how much snow they get?  Also in my opinion and from actually skiing there, the Jay cloud covers a small area.

You know nothing about meteorology and have no clue what you're talking about. It's actually kind of laughable. Number one, a thunderstorm shows up on radar. So of course a snow falling on a peak would show up. Radar is so sensitive it has picked up on them blowing snow at jiminy peak! The fact that it's from a while ago is meaningless. It's a climate normal over decades. Please pick up a text book.

Number 2. Of course average matters. Vermont averages more snow than the berkshires. This matters. Of course some years are more/less than average.

Actually I do have experience in meteorology.  Not claiming to be an expert but, I have taken classes in college.  And my work in the summer and my hobby in the winter revolves around the weather so I do pay close attention to it.  Also Jiminy Peak is much closer to civilization than Jay Peak.  Jay Peak is so close to the border and so far from anything else it doesn't register on radar as much as you think.  Do you follow the Canadian weather because I'm sure stuff shows up near the border that doesn't show up here

HAHAHA You don't have a clue. Jay peak is not far from civilization. It's right near Montreal, which is a MAJOR metropolitan city with 1.6 million people. Environment Canada weather service has multiple radars and they don't live in igloo's.
 There's multiple radars in Canada as well as Northern Vermont that can pick up a cell from a thunderstorm. You don't need a synoptic event to show up on radar. Just look a the banding cells that show up off the montague radar in upstate new york.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=cxx
LOL

Glade Runner wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

There's no such thing as a "jay cloud". It's not a scientific term. It was made up by a ski resort. The maximum upslope effect(what they call a jay cloud) takes place at mt mansfield area. Of course it can be snowing at higher elevations and less snow/even rain at lower elevations. This happens everywhere morons.

Why are you resorting to name calling?

Because you guys are so dumb it's annoying me. You don't know anything about meteorological sciences. You're just skiers. It's like someone with no medical training telling an MD how they know everything.

Glade Runner wrote

It was my understanding that 3 different weather patterns merged near Jay and that was what the Jay cloud was about.  But, you didn't answer me.  Have you ever been to Jay?  Or do you just trash talk it and then call people who do ride there morons?

DUDE...THE JAY CLOUD IS NOT A METEOROLOGICAL TERM. IT'S A MARKETING TERM. IT'S B.S.
You will never learn about that studying meteorology. You can see the precip amounts yourself. The orientation of mansfield and the ridge line means greater snowfall. Winds are forced up vs at a peak they can go around. Jay peak does get upslope effect like any mountain. But it's not a "local jay cloud phenomenon"
Actually I tell the truth. I told people to ski jay instead of stowe because or price.

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

 Usually the snow that Jay gets doesn't show up on a radar and I'm sure it wouldn't show up on this outdated map either.  If you don't ride at Stowe, how can you have an opinion on how much snow they get?  Also in my opinion and from actually skiing there, the Jay cloud covers a small area.

You know nothing about meteorology and have no clue what you're talking about. It's actually kind of laughable. Number one, a thunderstorm shows up on radar. So of course a snow falling on a peak would show up. Radar is so sensitive it has picked up on them blowing snow at jiminy peak! The fact that it's from a while ago is meaningless. It's a climate normal over decades. Please pick up a text book.

Number 2. Of course average matters. Vermont averages more snow than the berkshires. This matters. Of course some years are more/less than average.

Actually I do have experience in meteorology.  Not claiming to be an expert but, I have taken classes in college.  And my work in the summer and my hobby in the winter revolves around the weather so I do pay close attention to it.  Also Jiminy Peak is much closer to civilization than Jay Peak.  Jay Peak is so close to the border and so far from anything else it doesn't register on radar as much as you think.  Do you follow the Canadian weather because I'm sure stuff shows up near the border that doesn't show up here

HAHAHA You don't have a clue. Jay peak is not far from civilization. It's right near Montreal, which is a MAJOR metropolitan city with 1.6 million people. Environment Canada weather service has multiple radars and they don't live in igloo's.
 There's multiple radars in Canada as well as Northern Vermont that can pick up a cell from a thunderstorm. You don't need a synoptic event to show up on radar. Just look a the banding cells that show up off the montague radar in upstate new york.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=cxx
LOL

I could look up Burlington weather to if I was looking for Burlington weather but, I'm not.  Is 2 hrs from Montreal right near Montreal as you say?  Stowe is much closer than that.  And yes I did say I thought a lot of that weather showed up on Canadian  radars, so what are you arguing?  

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

It was my understanding that 3 different weather patterns merged near Jay and that was what the Jay cloud was about.  But, you didn't answer me.  Have you ever been to Jay?  Or do you just trash talk it and then call people who do ride there morons?

DUDE...THE JAY CLOUD IS NOT A METEOROLOGICAL TERM. IT'S A MARKETING TERM. IT'S B.S.
Actually I tell the truth. I told people to ski jay instead of stowe because or price.

How you tiptoe around the question.  Have you ever skied Jay?  Pretty simple question unless you are a MORON.

PowderAssassin wrote

Because you guys are so dumb it's annoying me. You don't know anything about meteorological sciences. You're just skiers. It's like someone with no medical training telling an MD how they know everything.

It's my "opinion" that your map says precipitation and also has no bearing to the summits of any of these mountains.

Keep floundering though.

PowderAssassin wrote

Noah John wrote

What you don't know about winter meteorology would fill a library.

Please elaborate troll. You're trolling as hard as you can. You don't even understand the concept of a 30 year climate normals. Do you even know what weather models are and how to read them? GFS Euro ect? Do you know what isobars are? Lines of equal pressure. Do you know lows spin counter clockwise? Do you know anything?

Oh boy --- this is gonna be great

you took that hook line and sinker PowderDumbAss

Do you understand there's complete radar coverage in new england as a safey issue?

campgottagopee wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Noah John wrote

What you don't know about winter meteorology would fill a library.

Please elaborate troll. You're trolling as hard as you can. You don't even understand the concept of a 30 year climate normals. Do you even know what weather models are and how to read them? GFS Euro ect? Do you know what isobars are? Lines of equal pressure. Do you know lows spin counter clockwise? Do you know anything?

Oh boy --- this is gonna be great

you took that hook line and sinker PowderDumbAss

I know I'm being trolled by idiots. Oh and I have a life. That's why I'm not constantly on here posting when you guys are wondering where I am.

 

The problem is, Powder Ass, you don't know what you don't know.  This is the most profound state of ignorance in which one can find himself wallowing.  The very fact that you have no idea how cluelessly adrift you are precludes you from taking steps to extricate yourself from the situation.  You're like one of Custer's scouts:  "Yeah, there's a few Indians down there;  ten....fifteen tops."

BTW, and not that it matters, but low pressure systems rotate counter-clockwise only in the Northern Hemisphere.  They rotate clockwise in the SH.   This is due to the Coriolis Effect.

PowderAssassin wrote

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DUDE...THE JAY CLOUD IS NOT A METEOROLOGICAL TERM. IT'S A MARKETING TERM. IT'S B.S.

Wrong...it is for real and I have this picture as proof. See how happy and friendly it is? You ought to try that instead of being a constant downer.

Me thinks PowderDumbAss has bitten off more than he can chew with this one

Buh-bye PowderDumbAss

PowderAssassin wrote

campgottagopee wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Noah John wrote

What you don't know about winter meteorology would fill a library.

Please elaborate troll. You're trolling as hard as you can. You don't even understand the concept of a 30 year climate normals. Do you even know what weather models are and how to read them? GFS Euro ect? Do you know what isobars are? Lines of equal pressure. Do you know lows spin counter clockwise? Do you know anything?

Oh boy --- this is gonna be great

you took that hook line and sinker PowderDumbAss

I know I'm being trolled by idiots. Oh and I have a life. That's why I'm not constantly on here posting when you guys are wondering where I am.

Have you ever rode jay moron?

Highpeaksdrifter wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

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DUDE...THE JAY CLOUD IS NOT A METEOROLOGICAL TERM. IT'S A MARKETING TERM. IT'S B.S.

Wrong...it is for real and I have this picture as proof. See how happy and friendly it is? You ought to try that instead of being a constant downer.

WORD

Happy Friday to ALL!!

Noah John wrote

This is due to the Coriolis Effect.

I've never been to the Southern Hemisphere, but I always wanted to see the water in a toilet circle the opposite way when flushed then it does for us. What can I say I'm a simple man.

Distance from the radar does seem to be important in terms of how much of the action will show up.

I LOVE that VT map and if anyone can help me find a similar one (done by NWS) for NY I would be forever grateful.

It's my opinion that weather tools like that map, and radar are very helpful but must be interpreted based on experience.  The Mansfield "massif" (can I call it that?) is relatively large.  I would guess that there is significantly more terrain around Mansfield that is above 3000 or 3500 feet vs Jay.  It's enough to impact that NWS map. The amount of terrain on Jay above 3500 feet might be one pixel on a computer screen.  The one time I skied Jay, we stayed at SBR's bro's house - within a few miles.  We got half an inch at the house and 8 inches on the hill.

That purple area in So VT ... I don't think anyone would argue that Mt Snow gets more snow that MRG or Sugarbush. Also that is a map of annual precip, not snow. I think it is measuring total liquid which includes summer/rain.  I also think it possible that orographics can enhance rainfall so it may not be a bad map approx for snow, given the caveats above.

I also think, knowing Jay that they probably do exaggerate a bit.  In reality for many Jay is a LOT farther. You need a reason to drive there. Hence cheaper tix and markety snow totals.  But I think totals at Stowe vs Jay are probably close to each other.

ml242 wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Because you guys are so dumb it's annoying me. You don't know anything about meteorological sciences. You're just skiers. It's like someone with no medical training telling an MD how they know everything.

It's my "opinion" that your map says precipitation and also has no bearing to the summits of any of these mountains.

Keep floundering though.

Does this help?
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?vt5416
This is right near the summit, and you can see correlation with the map. The map is elevation oriented. Thats why you see temendous differences in the valley vs the spine of the greens. Also, you're skiing the base and mid. You're not skiing just the summit anyway.

Keep floundering though.

PowderAssassin wrote

ml242 wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Because you guys are so dumb it's annoying me. You don't know anything about meteorological sciences. You're just skiers. It's like someone with no medical training telling an MD how they know everything.

It's my "opinion" that your map says precipitation and also has no bearing to the summits of any of these mountains.

Keep floundering though.

Does this help?
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?vt5416
This is right near the summit, and you can see correlation with the map. The map is elevation oriented. Thats why you see temendous differences in the valley vs the spine of the greens. Also, you're skiing the base and mid. You're not skiing just the summit anyway.

Keep floundering though.

Why do you avoid my questioning moron?  Is it because you have never rode there and if you admit that it will negate all of your credibility showing you have no actual experience in the things you claim to know so much about?

Glade Runner wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

ml242 wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Because you guys are so dumb it's annoying me. You don't know anything about meteorological sciences. You're just skiers. It's like someone with no medical training telling an MD how they know everything.

It's my "opinion" that your map says precipitation and also has no bearing to the summits of any of these mountains.

Keep floundering though.

Does this help?
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?vt5416
This is right near the summit, and you can see correlation with the map. The map is elevation oriented. Thats why you see temendous differences in the valley vs the spine of the greens. Also, you're skiing the base and mid. You're not skiing just the summit anyway.

Keep floundering though.

Why do you avoid my questioning moron?  Is it because you have never rode there and if you admit that it will negate all of your credibility showing you have no actual experience in the things you claim to know so much about?

I should rephrase that.  I don't want you to get the idea that you have any credibility at all to lose.