ORDA's operating loss increases year over year

x10003q wrote

Benny Profane wrote

Well, my "Lifties with pensions" may have been over the top, but I was just trying to illustrate that NY star basically creates workfare jobs in depressed areas with their skiing budget. Why do you think Cuomo brought Bellayre into the fold. Money buys votes. Like there's any other jobs around that place, especially in the winter. And no Vermont ski area keeps their winter employees around for the summer unless they need them. NY loves to give them year round jobs, it seems. Again, it's called workfare. And the taxpayer is paying for it.

NYS cannot sell or lease Belleayre. It is a valuable asset. Should NYS just close Belleayre? When the DEC was running Belleayre there were too many full time employees. This is not the case anymore. The best place for it was ORDA. It was not about votes.

If the people who live in the Catskills and the Adirondacks can't find work then NYS gets to spend more money on unemployment, welfare, etc. Most of the people I have met who live in the Park love the lifestyle and are not getting rich in the tourist business.

Sure it's about votes. It's another example of downstate dollars keeping upstate paychecks coming and upstate politicians happy. Without the downstate dollars, those areas would be even more of an economic wasteland than they are. It's a serious problem, and I guess it's the best solution. Otherwise it would be Vermont up there, all dirt roads and even worse poverty. But, then again, Vermont doesn't have Wall Street to support unnecessary ski areas. And unions. Unions.

Hey wait, hasn't upstate directly bailed out NYC twice over the years ?

All those downstate prisoners getting sent up here also helps keep down the unemployment/

Benny Profane wrote

Belle wouldn't exist if it wasn't for my tax dollars.

Your tax dollars? You have yet to contribute a dollar to Belleayre. Way less than a penny of "your tax dollars " goes to Belleayre. Amazingly Belleayre will still be operating way after you stop contributing your hundredth of a cent that you contribute each year.

Snowballs wrote

Hey wait, hasn't upstate directly bailed out NYC twice over the years ?

No.

mattchuck2 wrote

I wish there was a ski instructor union...

Matt

unfortunately we are in the collective bargining unit though we are not in the union nor to we see any benefit from it - it actually hurts us considerably.

Worse still the "union" gave away the ski instructors NYS labor law right to show up pay even though they do not really represent us.  How they can do that is a legal question that maybe my new ski buddy I met this weekend can answer. If it was not for that we would be entitled to 4 hours of pay a day when there is no work. When I worked at Killington part in about 96 VT passed the show up pay law and we got 3 hours a day for showing up to line ups.

Personally I'm not a fan of unions in general though clearly not to Benny's level of rant. I'm not really sure what benefit the union provides to the Orda employees.  Maybe some one can educate us on that. It certainly hurt ski instructors in this case though.

Snowballs wrote

All those downstate prisoners getting sent up here also helps keep down the unemployment/

Cuomo is about to announce a much more tolerant approach to marijuana, as most governors will as Colorado makes a 100,000 a day in tax revenue. And De Blasio is going to shut down stop and frisk. Goodbye a good percentage of raw material filling those prisons.

x10003q wrote

Your tax dollars? You have yet to contribute a dollar to Belleayre. Way less than a penny of "your tax dollars " goes to Belleayre. Amazingly Belleayre will still be operating way after you stop contributing your hundredth of a cent that you contribute each year.

Well, let's see here. Just happen to have my final pay stub right next to the computer. Hmmmmmm……..NY state…..about 4000 bucks. Jeez. Where does it all go? Water over the bridge and all that, right?
What can I say, except I better see some nice grooming at Gore this Sunday for my money, you know? Day one and first day since I messed my knee up a year ago.

Good luck on your first day back Benny ! Hope it all goes well.

You're right on the weed. Colorado coffers are cashing in and other states will move faster towards legalizing. Problem is, that store bought dope looks wicked potent. I'm telling ya. People will be higher than a frickin kite after smoking that trip weed. Don't know how the little stoners will fair driving while texting after toking that chit. Aye curmba !!!

It's all about the edibles these days. Cheeba Chews rule. God bless modern science.

At $4k in NYS taxes we know for certain that HPD is wrong and Benny is not a Wall Streeter

Well, ahem, that doesn't include annuities, capital gains and dividends.

who would be the most intolerant person to ride in the gondola w?  Benny "the tea bagger", Aussie "the bridge troll", or "NoBalls"?  

Benny Profane wrote

Well, ahem, that doesn't include annuities, capital gains and dividends.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Noah John wrote

Benny Profane wrote

Well, ahem, that doesn't include annuities, capital gains and dividends.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Practically nothing in this thread makes sense.  That's what the internet is good for.  having meaningless conversations with strangers about stuff you have no clue about.  

Pants wrote

 That's what the internet is good for.  having meaningless conversations with strangers about stuff you have no clue about.

Like Seinfeld without the humor.

tom

Noah John wrote

Benny Profane wrote

Well, ahem, that doesn't include annuities, capital gains and dividends.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Ask your accountant. It's actually pretty simple. If you have some money.

Keep digging.  You really are a wackadoodle.  Your dad obviously did not kick you enough.  

Benny Profane wrote

Noah John wrote

Benny Profane wrote

Well, ahem, that doesn't include annuities, capital gains and dividends.

That doesn't even make any sense.

Ask your accountant. It's actually pretty simple. If you have some money.

I'm terribly impressed.  Sounds like you made about 65-70G last year as a w-2 employee.  Nothing wrong with that but hardly anything to be spewing about on the internet.  The only way you had enough leftover to dabble with "annuities" and other things which may have generated taxable investment income is if your wife really earned all the household income.  You're a classic internet tool.  And your avatar looks like you're taking a shit.

This coming from fatso sumo jumper.


Sigh.

 Back a little on topic. My point was, downstate tax dollars are paying for infrastructure upstate. There's no denying that. Hey, I lived up there, and I could easily see that nobody has any money, and, the only people with any kind of money are directly or indirectly getting it from the state. Saratoga would be nothing if it wasn't for Albany right down the road (Thanks, Joe Bruno), and Saratoga is the only town I could see that is healthy in most ways. The tourist industry? That's what we're arguing about. It's funded by the citizens of NY state, the people who make a decent wage and live off investments.

Your failure to deny anything I posted is duly noted.  You made 65G last year and you're on the internet acting like Donald Trump and looking down your nose at lifties.  You've been exposed.  

You know, you remind me of a Louis CK line: "There is a fine line between witty and being an asshole." jezuz.

I made $138,000, OK? There. Happy?  My dear deceased mother just spun in her grave. Never talk about your money and politics in polite conversation, she always said.

And, like my Daddy always said, you'll never get rich working for money. That's why you need annuities and dividends and capital appreciation.