Your Local Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

Harvey wrote

I think there is a lawsuit coming.

I'm sure there's a lawsuit in the works, but that doesn't mean the cop was fired because the bosses were afraid if a suit, as Skimore wrote. It actually means the opposite: firing the cop can't prevent the suit, so if you fired him it wasn't because you were trying to prevent it.  It doesn't mean the suit is BS either.

MM

I don't understand why some people find it hard to believe that cops can be assholes who are bad at their jobs, too. Like, we've all had experiences with businesses that treated us poorly. The employees suck, they try to rip you off, whatever. Why is it so hard to believe that this cop freaking sucks at this job (especially considering his history)?

Would it be easier for some of you right leaning folks if you though of him as a government employee? Just think of him as a waste of the taxpayer's money - and trust me, these lawsuits are adding up, costing far more than the average government bureaucrat. There, now all of a sudden, you guys are free from having to defend him and you can call his mistreatment of a child what it really is: a fucking shitty thing to do to a kid (especially a kid going through what she's going through).

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

...Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

That was at the press conference where the Sheriff announced that he had fired him.

But they made statements supporting his actions until they realized the BS lawsuit happy society that today is

You're just making that up.

The sheriff never supported him from the beginning.  Maybe the teacher and principal supported him in police reports, but I didn't hear anyone support him publicly.
 
It's really unusual when cops don't back each other up, no matter how bad it is.  Why is anyone worried about a lawsuit? The kid wasn't even injured.  Firing the cop doesn't protect you from a lawsuit either.  I worked for government for a long time. No one ever cared about law suits.  Sometimes they were more fun than my regular job, and they never disrupted my vacation.

You seem to think that all cops are courageous defenders of order who must be respected and obeyed at all times, except for police chiefs, who are so spineless that they are intimidated by the threat of baseless lawsuits.

MM

That's a bunch of false assumptions. I only stated that the sherrif said school administrators supported the officer in the police report. No mention of anyone else. The rest you made up

The student had control of the outcome of that situation. Kind of got what she asked for

skimore wrote

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

...Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

That was at the press conference where the Sheriff announced that he had fired him.

But they made statements supporting his actions until they realized the BS lawsuit happy society that today is

You're just making that up.

The sheriff never supported him from the beginning.  Maybe the teacher and principal supported him in police reports, but I didn't hear anyone support him publicly.
 
It's really unusual when cops don't back each other up, no matter how bad it is.  Why is anyone worried about a lawsuit? The kid wasn't even injured.  Firing the cop doesn't protect you from a lawsuit either.  I worked for government for a long time. No one ever cared about law suits.  Sometimes they were more fun than my regular job, and they never disrupted my vacation.

You seem to think that all cops are courageous defenders of order who must be respected and obeyed at all times, except for police chiefs, who are so spineless that they are intimidated by the threat of baseless lawsuits.

MM

That's a bunch of false assumptions. I only stated that the sherrif said school administrators supported the officer in the police report. No mention of anyone else. The rest you made up

The student had control of the outcome of that situation. Kind of got what she asked for

What assumptions did I make? Only that everyone makes mistakes, and that the bosses know who makes a lot of mistakes.
What I saw was a cop threw a child to the ground without protecting her head, then, after he had control of her, he threw her again.  I heard the Sheriff mostly agree with that, and say that firing the cop was not a difficult decision for him.  That's completely consistent with my assumptions. He also said that the child should be held accountable for resisting, but that was irrelevant to the cop's behavior, and I agree with that as well.

OTOH you assume that the Sheriff only fired him because he was afraid of a BS lawsuit.  That's laughable.

MM  

skimore wrote

 The student had control of the outcome of that situation. Kind of got what she asked for

I'm with ya Skimore. Some people want to give this defiant student a pass on that part.

campgottagopee wrote

skimore wrote

 The student had control of the outcome of that situation. Kind of got what she asked for

I'm with ya Skimore. Some people want to give this defiant student a pass on that part.

Who wants to give her a pass?  Not the Sheriff, not me. Holding a cop accountable for treating a child in a way that might have caused a serious head injury is not the same as giving the kid a pass.

MM

Milo Maltbie wrote

campgottagopee wrote

skimore wrote

 The student had control of the outcome of that situation. Kind of got what she asked for

I'm with ya Skimore. Some people want to give this defiant student a pass on that part.

Who wants to give her a pass?  Not the Sheriff, not me. Holding a cop accountable for treating a child in a way that might have caused a serious head injury is not the same as giving the kid a pass.

MM

We just disagree. That is all. The cop did his job and nobody got hurt.

Sounds like he didn't do his job if he got fired.

He got fired imo because of politics.

Milo Maltbie wrote

What assumptions did I make? Only that everyone makes mistakes, and that the bosses know who makes a lot of mistakes.
What I saw was a cop threw a child to the ground without protecting her head, then, after he had control of her, he threw her again.  I heard the Sheriff mostly agree with that, and say that firing the cop was not a difficult decision for him.  That's completely consistent with my assumptions. He also said that the child should be held accountable for resisting, but that was irrelevant to the cop's behavior, and I agree with that as well.

OTOH you assume that the Sheriff only fired him because he was afraid of a BS lawsuit.  That's laughable.

MM

Again with your false assumptions. I only stated the "Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer"

Only referencing the school admins. Some how your twisting that into the police dept

Why is it the school administrators still wouldn't support their statements?

The shit about the firing again you made up.

You also made this up

Milo Maltbie wrote

You seem to think that all cops are courageous defenders of order who must be respected and obeyed at all times, except for police chiefs, who are so spineless that they are intimidated by the threat of baseless lawsuits.

campgottagopee wrote

The cop did his job and nobody got hurt.

Nobody got hurt? All the reports say the student has a cast on her arm, and neck and back problems.

Spongeworthy wrote

campgottagopee wrote

The cop did his job and nobody got hurt.

Nobody got hurt? All the reports say the student has a cast on her arm, and neck and back problems.

There's the BS lawsuit

It's pretty obvious that there's a group who will always support a cop in any situation, even when the cop's own management won't.

The ironic thing is that people who always support cops and insist that everyone be held accountable for their actions are the same people who are offended when a cop is held accountable.  

MM

For those who support the cop: As grown men, put in the same situation, would any of you handle a 16 old girl with that amount of force?  How would you feel if a cop was handling your daughter, wife, or girlfriend under similar circumstances?

nepa wrote

For those who support the cop: As grown men, put in the same situation, would any of you handle a 16 old girl with that amount of force?

Hard for me to say for sure because I've never, EVER been in any situation remotely close to that before. But if it was my job I certainly would have no problem yanking a girl out of a chair.

 

nepa wrote

  How would you feel if a cop was handling your daughter, wife, or girlfriend under similar circumstances?

If it were my daughter, wife, or girlfriend they would've listened to the first three people that had talked to her. That's my point. She got what she deserved. She's the one that escalated it to that point, not the cop. And lets not forget the cop tried talking to her but she obviously chose not to go down that path.

Don't get me wrong. There's a fine line here and I think this is an easy one to make a case on either side.

nepa wrote

For those who support the cop: As grown men, put in the same situation, would any of you handle a 16 old girl with that amount of force?  How would you feel if a cop was handling your daughter, wife, or girlfriend under similar circumstances?

My kids are 21 and 18.. They have driven me to my breaking point a few times..My wife had to jump in between us..
That said the cop should have called his supervisor..

Something seriously wrong with this.

Fully grown man gets arrested for public intoxication and allegedly wrecking a McDonalds.



16 year old girl gets beaten down not for selling drugs, not for coming to school drunk, not for pulling a gun, but for USING A PHONE IN CLASS.  Unacceptable.



Both these people failed to comply with an officer.  Which one was handled better.  You'd need to have your head examined if you didn't think it was the first one.

snoloco wrote

Both these people failed to comply with an officer.  Which one was handled better.  You'd need to have your head examined if you didn't think it was the first one.

In the interest of Fair & Balanced discussion... here's one of a kid(s) beating up on a Cop in Allentown

Clearly this is a different scenario than 1-cop on 1-disruptive kid. Considering this situation, I would be in favor of using the "serious physical control" level of force (the same level used against the young lady in SC) against these young rapscallions.