Your Local Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

nepa wrote

campgottagopee wrote

How many times do you ask...that's right ask someone to comply with a lawful order? This girl was defiant to everyone..teacher School administrators and ultimately a uniformed police officer requesting her to get up and leave the classroom..what kind of precedence are we setting. You create a slippery slope when you selectively enforce the law..her behavior was disrespectful and disorderly. It has absolutely nothing to do with race...now the feds are investigating this as accessive force?? Come on...what have we become? We have allowed a breed of lawlessness..

I'm not saying that she should not have been detained and disciplined accordingly.  I am saying that the cop's actions were over the top.  The level of force used was not necessary.  It's a young girl.  I don't care how defiant she was... it's not a good example from a grown man to treat a girl in this manner.

Again, we will just agree to disagree. I think the cops actions were warranted and he did what he had to do. Toughen up AMERICA!

campgottagopee wrote

There are just too many bad / crazy people around now.

There were always bad and crazy people around.  The difference is that now we are turning the world into a zero-tolerance authoritarian police state.

MM

Milo Maltbie wrote

campgottagopee wrote

There are just too many bad / crazy people around now.

There were always bad and crazy people around.  The difference is that now we are turning the world into a zero-tolerance authoritarian police state.

MM

campgottagopee wrote

I think the cops actions were warranted and he did what he had to do. Toughen up AMERICA!

And yet the school administrators are not supprting him, and the police department put him on unpaid leave.  

So you are supporting him more than those who are actually responsible for supervising him.

Is there anything a cop has ever done that you think is not justified?

MM

campgottagopee wrote

Again, we will just agree to disagree. I think the cops actions were warranted and he did what he had to do. Toughen up AMERICA!

Campy.  I like your style.  We should all learn to "agree to disagree" on a lot of things.

nepa wrote

campgottagopee wrote

Again, we will just agree to disagree. I think the cops actions were warranted and he did what he had to do. Toughen up AMERICA!

Campy.  I like your style.  We should all learn to "agree to disagree" on a lot of things.

RIGHT FUCKIN ON! Dude, that's what makes the world go around.

So what is the right thing to do?  Was he trained in how to restrain a child?  It appeared to me he was trying to do a normal take down as they are trained to do.  He may have put a little to much force into it but everyone is human and she pissed him of when she hit him.  By not backing him up what type of example are they setting.  

Milo Maltbie wrote

campgottagopee wrote

I think the cops actions were warranted and he did what he had to do. Toughen up AMERICA!

And yet the school administrators are not supprting him, and the police department put him on unpaid leave.  

 

 

What you're referring to is political. If all the I's aren't dotted, and T's crossed some lawyer will sue somebody. They are just following proper protocol.

Milo Maltbie wrote

 

So you are supporting him more than those who are actually responsible for supervising him.

 

Damn right I'm supporting him. Until some other evidence is made public I wont change my mind. The cop did what he had to do to get the situation handled swiftly as possible. I wont be afraid to say I was wrong either if other evidence comes out. I've been wrong before, and I'm not scared to admit it whether in person or on the internet.

Milo Maltbie wrote

 

Is there anything a cop has ever done that you think is not justified?

 

Of course. I'm not naive. This just isn't a case of that imo.

tjf1967 wrote

By not backing him up what type of example are they setting.

Good question. By backing him up, what type of example would be set?

A new precedent in police state domination... when 16 year girls piss you off, it's OK to do what ever is necessary to assert your authority.

nepa wrote

tjf1967 wrote

By not backing him up what type of example are they setting.

Good question.  By backing him up, what type of example would be set?<p>

A new precedent in police state domination... when 16 year girls piss you off, it's OK to do what ever is necessary to assert your authority.<p>

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Completely disagree

The example that SHOULD be set is the student should've listened to the 3 or 4 people who were trying to handle the situation before the cop even got there. Call the cops, call the cops.....that seems to be everyone's answer for everyday problems. It just shouldn't have gotten that far. Seriously, think about it for a minute. They had to call the COPS to get a school girl out of the classroom??? That's fucked up!

Really.  To pull her out of her seat and put her in a restraint. Its not like he started kicking and punching her.  How many people told her to leave before the cop got there?  Its a tough call, reality is not everything in life is jacks and cotton candy.  

tjf1967 wrote

    jacks and cotton candy.

LARRY

jacks and cotton candy

tjf1967 wrote

Its a tough call, reality is not everything in life is jacks and cotton candy.

Totally agree.  It's definitely a grey area.  Undoubtedly, it starts with parenting.  When I was a kid, I respected the authority of father more than law enforcement.  The "strong father" is not as prevalent as it used to be... in fact, from what I can see, it may be disappearing entirely from the parental equation.

campgottagopee wrote

The example that SHOULD be set is the student should've listened to the 3 or 4 people who were trying to handle the situation before the cop even got there. Call the cops, call the cops.....that seems to be everyone's answer for everyday problems. It just shouldn't have gotten that far. Seriously, think about it for a minute. They had to call the COPS to get a school girl out of the classroom??? That's fucked up!

Probably the cop was called because teachers and other school personnel have no authority to lay a hand on a student.  That's a definite lawsuit.  

It's a tough situation.  I'm a law and order type.  The throw-down of the girl did seem a bit excessive, especially given that the inciting situation was use of a cell phone.  Unfortunately, cops are the physical manifestation of the state's authority over our bodies, and when that authority is exercised, it has to be exercised by use of force.

When we non-cops make an error of judgment in our jobs it is likely not going to result in viral video, political protests, etc.  So I try to put myself in the cop's shoes.  That doesn't excuse willful misbehavior or abuse of authority, but it does excuse other incidents (some of which have been made into political fodder for the race-baiters).

Petronio

Officer Slam has been fired!
Fields was terminated from the Richland County Sheriff's Department

The officer involved was previously sued and accused of using excessive force and targeting black people.

In 2013, a student expelled from Spring Valley High School accused Fields, who is white, of targeting black students and saying the expelled student was a gang member. That case is set to go to trial in January.

In 2010, federal court records show, a jury sided with Fields after a black couple accused Fields of excessive force and battery during a 2005 noise complaint arrest in Columbia.

Also, keep her (girl who was assaulted by Fields -ed) in your thoughts.
She apparently lost her mother and grandmother this year and is in foster care. just a lot of trauma and now this.

Milo Maltbie wrote

And yet the school administrators are not supprting him, and the police department put him on unpaid leave.  

Yet the Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

skimore wrote

...Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

That was at the press conference where the Sheriff announced that he had fired him.

Everyone makes mistakes, even serious mistakes on their job.  Mostly your friends have your back when you do, especially if you are a cop.  Unless you have no friends, then everyone throws you under the bus. That cop seems to be a guy who has no friends, probably because no other cops trust him or want to work with him. The Sheriff was probably happy to have a reason to fire him.

There are about a half million cops in the US, and you hear about maybe 20 or 50 incidents a year.  I think most of the cops involved in those incidents are near the bottom in skills.  The best cops de-escalate, the ones who can't do that shouldn't be cops.

MM

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

...Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

That was at the press conference where the Sheriff announced that he had fired him.

But they made statements supporting his actions until they realized the BS lawsuit happy society that today is

skimore wrote

Milo Maltbie wrote

skimore wrote

...Sherriff's press conference stated the school administrators stated in the police report they supported the officer

That was at the press conference where the Sheriff announced that he had fired him.

But they made statements supporting his actions until they realized the BS lawsuit happy society that today is

You're just making that up.

The sheriff never supported him from the beginning.  Maybe the teacher and principal supported him in police reports, but I didn't hear anyone support him publicly.
 
It's really unusual when cops don't back each other up, no matter how bad it is.  Why is anyone worried about a lawsuit? The kid wasn't even injured.  Firing the cop doesn't protect you from a lawsuit either.  I worked for government for a long time. No one ever cared about law suits.  Sometimes they were more fun than my regular job, and they never disrupted my vacation.

You seem to think that all cops are courageous defenders of order who must be respected and obeyed at all times, except for police chiefs, who are so spineless that they are intimidated by the threat of baseless lawsuits.

MM

I think there is a lawsuit coming.

The only thing google turns up is one of his previous lawsuits.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/10/28/school-resource-officer-body-slams-apparent-unruly-student-everyone-rushes-to-judgment-n2072066