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nepa

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

JTG4eva! wrote

Hey, I thought I pretty much sided with you that Korea and Vietnam didn't secure much in the way of freedoms. I wasn't trying to say otherwise with my question to you. You implied Vietnam (along with the others) was more about greed than freedom. I'm just trying to figure out where that conclusion comes from.

My bad. I read your response as an opposing point. (multi-tasking at work

) I think overall... war is more about power, than greed or freedom. I think some wars have been more right than others, and many were completely wrong. At the end of the day, it all boils down to preserving some type of power.

JTG4eva! wrote

As for battling the terrorists.....be they al Queda, Taliban, ISIS, insert next....do you feel that the world is any safer a place when an organization like al Queda losses its leadership and most of its teeth?

I don't care what the media or the government call them (ISIS, Alqaeda, Al Shabab, Jamas, Islamic Jihad, Pablo Escobar, blah, blah, blah), they are all the same. When you destroy one, there will always be another to follow. This repeated cycle (in my opinion) is a direct result of our foreign policy. The cycle also serves as a fear generator. If we have a common thing to be afraid of, we will stand united in support of those in power. There is a less costly way of destroying this enemy (the terrorists). The people power just don't want to utilize it.

PeeTex

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

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mattchuck2 wrote

Also, when you look into the history of the Star-Spangled Banner and the Pledge of Allegiance, you start to ask yourself why they're so celebrated today. The Pledge of Allegiance was written during the war of 1812, I think, and it was based off of a British drinking song. Nothing says "America" like some other country's song with different words.

The Pledge of Allegiance is even more ridiculous. I think it wa relatively unknown and forgotten until the 1950s when the communist menace made everyone very scared and stupid (much like they are today). It was also around this time that the words "under God" were added in a deliberate attempt by big business to recruit flag waving, patriotic religious people to their cause so that their dumb ideas (low taxes for rich people, no regulations on business, no safety net, anti Union sentiments, etc.) would have a place in the public sphere of ideas. "In God We Trust" was added to money at about the same time.

Without the patriotic religious crowd on their side, the "conservative" ideas on business and rich people (today mostly represented by the Republican Party) would have had a much harder time gaining a foothold in the marketplace of ideas (you'll recall Eisenhower warning of the Military Industrial complex in his farewell address). After a brief period of liberalism in the 1960s, mostly owing to the death of John F. Kennedy, Nixon used the "Southern strategy" to perfection, relying on those patriots and religious folks but also mixing in some racists, and there's your Fox News Audience (and unwitting big business supporters) right there.

I'm hoping the Pope Francis and some other thinkers can return the Christians in this country to believing that it's easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven but I'm not holding my breath. People are pitched these ideas so often and relentlessly, they start to believe them. "Rich People are Job Creators" "The Government is the Problem" "Tax Cuts lead to Growth" All Bullshit, but spouted every day by Rush, Hannity, and every Republican candidate in service of their corporate masters.

/rant

Holy crap Matt - you and I are more aligned than I would have ever thought.
Maybe where we differ is that the liberal BS is just as bad, both sides use common tactics, get people worked up and acting with their emotions rather than with their heads and you can control them every time.

This discussion has really been great, lots of excellent insight.
IMHO this has been the best conversation this sight has seen in a long time - no name calling, just thoughtful dialog.

Don't ski the trees, ski the spaces between the trees.

nepa

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

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JTG4eva! wrote

Do you feel that the world is any safer a place when an organization like al Queda losses its leadership and most of its teeth?

This is a good question, and I realized I did not really answer it in my previous response.

To answer your question, No, but I guess it really depends on how you look at it. If it is definitively proven, that killing a terrorist leader prevented an attack, then Yes, on the surface, in the short-term, the world will appear to be more safe. But, what if the collateral damage associated with the attack fans the flames of a larger, better organized movement. Then, in the long term, the short term gain, actually diminishes the potential for long-term safety. It could go either way. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to your question. Currently, I think our policy fans the flames. A more low key approach will contribute to the subsidence of fanaticism. With the reduction of fanaticism, I believe the world will be a safer place.

The cat is already out of the bag so to speak. The threat of terrorism in modern society will never go away. I don't support the war on terrorism. Fighting a war on terrorism creates an unattainable goal. A bottomless pit if you will. It's kind of like "fighting the war" for a drug-free America. The goals of the war on terrorism and the war on drugs are based in fantasy. In my opinion, the current policies associated with both wars are causing more problems than they actually solve.

To be honest, I think that if we left the fanatics to themselves, I honestly believe they would kill each other, and leave people like you and I alone. I believe we are actively giving them reasons to kill innocent people when we take out one of their so-called leaders.

If you are a reader, you should check out The Looming Tower. This has some really good insight into how things worked at Al-Ky-eeda (one of my favorite pronunciations). It's an even better investigation in how the bureaucratic BS between the FBI and CIA botched several chances to prevent the tragedy on 9/11.

Thacheronix

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

Let's face it, the vast majority of people we pay our government to kill are innocent. Not sure how killing people is supposed to reduce hate/terrorism

Spongeworthy

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http://www.cbs6albany.com/news/features/top-story/stories/charges-dropped-against-man-pepper-sprayed-during-traffic-stop-26100.shtml

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble

ml242

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

always fun to bump this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=408&v=asnLQ8Ekwqg

i'd be scared shitless too if that goon jumped out of a pickup and started screaming and digging in his pockets.

Marcski

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

ml242 wrote

always fun to bump this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=408&v=asnLQ8Ekwqg

i'd be scared shitless too if that goon jumped out of a pickup and started screaming and digging in his pockets.

Apparently, it's happened before....:

http://news.yahoo.com/road-rage-narcotics-detective-111105161.html

Harvey

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Administrator

The Blake tape...

How about... "you are under arrest ...or...? If the guy defended himself against this unidentified attack, he'd probably be dead.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

nepa

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

Not in NY, but I thought this was another good one for this thread:

JasonWx

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

there is a lot more to this story...

"Peace and Love"

Harvey

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

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JasonWx wrote

there is a lot more to this story...

I keep hearing that, but nobody will say what. Did she have a firearm?

The amazing thing to me is that the other students seem the slightest bit surprised.

"You just need to go at that shit wide open, hang on, and own it." —Camp

fahz

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

Just another bad egg. Getting to be an awful lot of them! Seems this one had a history maybe that is what you meant by there is more to the story.

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skimore

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

So you got some disruptive kid failing to obey the teacher. Then is told to leave or will be forced to leave. When that takes place the student offers resistance. I fail to see the problem here

Also seems as if the video had something edited out

Spongeworthy

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Harvey wrote

JasonWx wrote

there is a lot more to this story...

I keep hearing that, but nobody will say what. Did she have a firearm?

The amazing thing to me is that the other students seem the slightest bit surprised.

I guess "more" means something -- anything -- that might justify the amount of force used, because the deputy's actions seem far beyond any definition of reasonable force.

Oh, and the student who loudly protested also got arrested. The others apparently knew this guy and kept quiet, lest they get the same treatment. So, yeah, they weren't surprised.

"They don't think it be like it is, but it do." Oscar Gamble

campgottagopee

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

Cop should've just tased the bitch

Thacheronix

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

The other girl says they call him Officer Slam

MC2 5678F589

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

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Can't tell if you guys are being serious or not, blaming a teenage girl who got dragged across the floor.

Don't you think that there were any number of ways to handle this, other than what was done? Like, you don't want to leave the chair? Fine, then the officer and the teacher will each grab one side of the chair, carry her out the door, and close the door. Problem solved.

The deference shown to undertrained fake authority figures in this country is sad. If shitty people do shitty things, you don't have to defend them. I'm just glad there are more cameras out now so we can find these psychopaths and kick them out of law enforcement forever.

campgottagopee

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mattchuck2 wrote

Can't tell if you guys are being serious or not, blaming a teenage girl who got dragged across the floor.

I wasn't kidding. She was asked to leave by 4 other people who had authority, and that's part of the problem. Kids don't respect authority. In my day if you were being a dick in school you got beaned upside the head with an eraser and your ass was dragged down to the principles office where you stayed until you decided you weren't gonna be a dick anymore. Then, if you were lucky, it stopped there. If the principle decided you were truly a dick he'd call your parents. I was always more fearful of what would happen to me at home than I was at school. Kids/people these days don;t respect authority, everyone is fuckin sue happy and refuses to take responsibility for their own actions. Our society is so soft that it disgusts me! So no, I wasn't kidding. Tase the bitch and get her the hell out of the classroom so those who want to learn can.

campgottagopee

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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2015/10/27/the-spring-valley-arrest-video-isnt-a-disturbing-act-of-police-brutality-or-racism-heres-why/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=seanlowe&ref_post=were-back-a-bit-about-our-four-seasons-maui-vacation

Can you say resisting arrest?

nepa

Re: Saratoga Police: To Serve, Protect and Slap?

campgottagopee wrote

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/frenchrevolution/2015/10/27/the-spring-valley-arrest-video-isnt-a-disturbing-act-of-police-brutality-or-racism-heres-why/?ref_widget=trending&ref_blog=seanlowe&ref_post=were-back-a-bit-about-our-four-seasons-maui-vacation

Can you say resisting arrest?

Why does this article provide proof that she was resisting arrest? From the opinion above, there is simply a quote from Sheriff Lott that says there is an alleged video showing she was resisting arrest:

CNN wrote

One of the videos from inside the math classroom at Spring Valley High School shows the student resisting, according to Lott.

Why is this proof that she resisted arrest? It's basically the cop's supervisor standing up for him.

Have you searched for other videos that show the girl hitting the cop?

I'm not saying what the girl did was right, but I certainly don't think cops should be using this type of force in the class room unless their life is put in danger in some way. Clearly in this situation is was not.

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