COVID 19 impact on skiing

campgottagopee wrote

You are panicking. Relax, take a deep breath, drink water, wipe your ass, and wash your hands.

I appreciate your consistency. If you'd said anything smarter than that I would have been disappointed.

billyymc wrote

 

It's amazing that you, and so many like you, think the media has the power to alter the actions of the entire country and world. Just for fun.

Fun?? No, Willy, it's about the almighty dollar. They are pulling at heart strings to make $$$$$.

billyymc wrote

campgottagopee wrote

You are panicking. Relax, take a deep breath, drink water, wipe your ass, and wash your hands.

I appreciate your consistency. If you'd said anything smarter than that I would have been disappointed.

I'll ask again. What should we be doing that would make you happy? Is there anything else we (the general public) should be doing (in your expert opinion) to make you more comfortable during this pandemic?

campgottagopee wrote

Fun?? No, Willy, it's about the almighty dollar. They are pulling at heart strings to make $$$$$.

Do you think it's *possible* that $$$$ wasn't the primary consideration in the cancelling of so many public events? (Events that would have brought in many millions of $$$$$)

The economy is about to take a major hit. Its not about the money/economy. That's the reason for the delay and possibly people dying. They were trying to downplay its severity so the economy wouldn't take a hit. Its the current administrations motivation for everything. Shut everything down and err on the side of caution. It doesnt make you weak if you realize this Covid-19 is no joke and will kill loved ones with half measures.

MC2 5678F589 wrote

even PeeTex's old, dementia addled- brain is able to grasp the concept of "it isn't about you, dummy"

So even with half my brain cells functioning I’m still able to out reason you dumb shits, imagine what I was like in my prime - f’ing awesome.

PeeTex wrote

MC2 5678F589 wrote

even PeeTex's old, dementia addled- brain is able to grasp the concept of "it isn't about you, dummy"

So even with half my brain cells functioning I’m still able to out reason you dumb shits, imagine what I was like in my prime - f’ing awesome.

Legends never die!

campgottagopee wrote

I'll ask again. What should we be doing that would make you happy? Is there anything else we (the general public) should be doing (in your expert opinion) to make you more comfortable during this pandemic?

Ummm....he’s told you.  Several times.  

Do I think Billy and Z are on opposite ends of the spectrum?  Sure, to an extent.  Honestly, Billy’s level of concern, heck...even a degree of fear...is what we need now much more than the ignorance Z has on display.  Sorry Z, love ya too...but, while you are right that this may be overblown to an extent, overblown is what we need right now more so than some of your poorly supported suppositions.

Whatever your perception of Billy’s fear level, he’s told you what to do.  Educate yourself.  Don’t dismiss this.  Don’t blame actions on political correctness and media bias.  Try to see the big picture (i.e. large corporations will get bailed out from stock losses, but employees of floundering small businesses that get laid off won’t.  The example about no bed in the ER when little Z gets in an accident because we allowed ERs to be overrun is perfect).  Think of the other guy (sure, it’s probably no big deal if I get this....but how many people might I unwittingly kill if I don’t take precautions to limit its spread).

Here is a simple enough example of why Billy’s end of the spectrum is the right one to be on.  It’s an example born of scientific study and not media bias.

The 1918 Spanish Flu.  When it broke out in the US the City of Philadelphia either didn’t understand it or didn’t take it seriously.  Soldiers were headed off to war and Philly had a parade scheduled.  To honor those shipping off to lay down their lives they didn’t cancel the parade.  Rather, hundreds of thousands lined the streets of Philadelphia in celebration of our brave troops.  Within a week some 4,500 civilians in the city died of Spanish Flu.  Contrast that with the City of St. Louis.  Around the same time, within days of detecting the first case, St. Louis did all the things that Z is chalking up today to political correctness and media hype.  As a result St.Louis suffered half the per capita deaths from Spanish Flu that Philadelphia did.

It may now come with media friendly phrases like “flatten the curve” and “social distancing”.....but those actions to limit personal interactions have become textbook public health response to epidemics.  We are all just lucky enough that we’ve never faced a real epidemic in our lifetimes to realize that.  

So, stop dismissing as political correctness, media hype, or overblown fear the closed colleges and schools, a dark Broadway, cancelled sporting events, and all the other shit that is, and will be, going on.  Educate yourself and do your part to mitigate the risk this virus presents to our communities,  even if you perceive it to present little risk to you and your’s personally.

This I say as someone who even leans toward the overblown end of the spectrum.  I have the sniffles and a sore throat today.  I’m working from home.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/amp/

Well said.
I just got home from Utah (they desperately need new snow). I plan to assume I’m infected due to exposure from planes, airports and hotels. I plan to stay home for the next two weeks, stay away from ski areas and maybe just hike.

campgottagopee wrote

billyymc wrote

campgottagopee wrote

You are panicking. Relax, take a deep breath, drink water, wipe your ass, and wash your hands.

I appreciate your consistency. If you'd said anything smarter than that I would have been disappointed.

I'll ask again. What should we be doing that would make you happy? Is there anything else we (the general public) should be doing (in your expert opinion) to make you more comfortable during this pandemic?

1) Don't spread opinions as fact. Your example of an RN stating this is just a flu is exactly the kind of irresponsible thing that needs to stop. The fact that an RN's opinion on general medical issues carries some level of authority makes it even more irresponsible. People need to get reliable information because this is too serious not to.

2) Don't dismiss this as media hype. Yes there is hype out there. Wade through it to good sources beyond one's usual go-to news outlet. Fox news did a terrible disservice to it's followers in dismissing the seriousness of this especially given the age to which their viewers skew. Hannity should be fired.

3) Don't look at this as someone else's problem. This is all of our problem. Everyone has to pitch in even though it means sacrificing now to prevent an even bigger problem down the road. Americans are terrible short sighted.

 

JTG4eva! wrote

campgottagopee wrote

I'll ask again. What should we be doing that would make you happy? Is there anything else we (the general public) should be doing (in your expert opinion) to make you more comfortable during this pandemic?

Ummm....he’s told you.  Several times.  

Do I think Billy and Z are on opposite ends of the spectrum?  Sure, to an extent.  Honestly, Billy’s level of concern, heck...even a degree of fear...is what we need now much more than the ignorance Z has on display.  Sorry Z, love ya too...but, while you are right that this may be overblown to an extent, overblown is what we need right now more so than some of your poorly supported suppositions.

Whatever your perception of Billy’s fear level, he’s told you what to do.  Educate yourself.  Don’t dismiss this.  Don’t blame actions on political correctness and media bias.  Try to see the big picture (i.e. large corporations will get bailed out from stock losses, but employees of floundering small businesses that get laid off won’t.  The example about no bed in the ER when little Z gets in an accident because we allowed ERs to be overrun is perfect).  Think of the other guy (sure, it’s probably no big deal if I get this....but how many people might I unwittingly kill if I don’t take precautions to limit its spread).

Here is a simple enough example of why Billy’s end of the spectrum is the right one to be on.  It’s an example born of scientific study and not media bias.

The 1918 Spanish Flu.  When it broke out in the US the City of Philadelphia either didn’t understand it or didn’t take it seriously.  Soldiers were headed off to war and Philly had a parade scheduled.  To honor those shipping off to lay down their lives they didn’t cancel the parade.  Rather, hundreds of thousands lined the streets of Philadelphia in celebration of our brave troops.  Within a week some 4,500 civilians in the city died of Spanish Flu.  Contrast that with the City of St. Louis.  Around the same time, within days of detecting the first case, St. Louis did all the things that Z is chalking up today to political correctness and media hype.  As a result St.Louis suffered half the per capita deaths from Spanish Flu that Philadelphia did.

It may now come with media friendly phrases like “flatten the curve” and “social distancing”.....but those actions to limit personal interactions have become textbook public health response to epidemics.  We are all just lucky enough that we’ve never faced a real epidemic in our lifetimes to realize that.  

So, stop dismissing as political correctness, media hype, or overblown fear the closed colleges and schools, a dark Broadway, cancelled sporting events, and all the other shit that is, and will be, going on.  Educate yourself and do your part to mitigate the risk this virus presents to our communities,  even if you perceive it to present little risk to you and your’s personally.

This I say as someone who even leans toward the overblown end of the spectrum.  I have the sniffles and a sore throat today.  I’m working from home.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/amp/

That's exactly my point. We/I are doing what we can to prevent the spread of this virus. I've put up links to exactly what we are doing, but apparently that's not good enough. I don't have the panic so I must not be doing my part, right?

Seems like its come down to who is more right. Let it go at that

billyymc wrote

campgottagopee wrote

billyymc wrote

campgottagopee wrote

You are panicking. Relax, take a deep breath, drink water, wipe your ass, and wash your hands.

I appreciate your consistency. If you'd said anything smarter than that I would have been disappointed.

I'll ask again. What should we be doing that would make you happy? Is there anything else we (the general public) should be doing (in your expert opinion) to make you more comfortable during this pandemic?

1) Don't spread opinions as fact. Your example of an RN stating this is just a flu is exactly the kind of irresponsible thing that needs to stop. The fact that an RN's opinion on general medical issues carries some level of authority makes it even more irresponsible. People need to get reliable information because this is too serious not to.

2) Don't dismiss this as media hype. Yes there is hype out there. Wade through it to good sources beyond one's usual go-to news outlet. Fox news did a terrible disservice to it's followers in dismissing the seriousness of this especially given the age to which their viewers skew. Hannity should be fired.

3) Don't look at this as someone else's problem. This is all of our problem. Everyone has to pitch in even though it means sacrificing now to prevent an even bigger problem down the road. Americans are terrible short sighted.

1. I never said this is just a flu, show me where I said that. What I said is good personal hygiene is key to not spreading the virus.

2. Dismiss this as media hype?? I'm not dismissing anything, I've said that numerous times. I'm just not running out and buying TP like they aren't going to make it again.

3. Where have I said, or even acted like this isn't my problem. I've listed what I'm doing but you can't seem to comprehend that it's actually simple. Wash your hands, stay home if your sick, don't gather in large groups. I'm on an online auction right now instead fo being there.

 

Yeah, you are doing what they say to, accepting the actions.  Maybe you downplay the need, even though you are taking the steps?  Thou shalt embrace to solution!  Hand washing is a small part.

campgottagopee wrote

That's exactly my point. We/I are doing what we can to prevent the spread of this virus. I've put up links to exactly what we are doing, but apparently that's not good enough. I don't have the panic so I must not be doing my part, right?

I think there is a bit of a tendency for people (specifically people of a certain political lean) to emphasize steps that the individual can take while minimizing the extent to which government policy can help.

But this is exactly correct:

Scott wrote

The economy is about to take a major hit. Its not about the money/economy. That's the reason for the delay and possibly people dying. They were trying to downplay its severity so the economy wouldn't take a hit. Its the current administrations motivation for everything..... It doesnt make you weak if you realize this Covid-19 is no joke and will kill loved ones with half measures.

We're finally getting some (state level) government intervention to try to help. The Federal Government has been... Trumpified:
https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/156901/dismantled-state-takes-pandemic

JTG4eva! wrote

Yeah, you are doing what they say to, accepting the actions.  Maybe you downplay the need, even though you are taking the steps?  Thou shalt embrace to solution!  Hand washing is a small part.

I don't feel I'm downplaying the need, not my intent. What's needed doesn't seem as difficult as what some want us to believe.

MC2 5678F589 wrote

campgottagopee wrote

That's exactly my point. We/I are doing what we can to prevent the spread of this virus. I've put up links to exactly what we are doing, but apparently that's not good enough. I don't have the panic so I must not be doing my part, right?

I think there is a bit of a tendency for people (specifically people of a certain political lean) to emphasize steps that the individual can take while minimizing the extent to which government policy can help.

But this is exactly correct:

Scott wrote

The economy is about to take a major hit. Its not about the money/economy. That's the reason for the delay and possibly people dying. They were trying to downplay its severity so the economy wouldn't take a hit. Its the current administrations motivation for everything..... It doesnt make you weak if you realize this Covid-19 is no joke and will kill loved ones with half measures.

We're finally getting some (state level) government intervention to try to help. The Federal Government has been... Trumpified:
https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/156901/dismantled-state-takes-pandemic

Agree.

People scream at govt if they don't do something and screamif they do, do something.

I just don't feel we need to State Govt or the Fed Govt to tell us we need good personal hygiene. We don't need them to tell us not to gather in large groups. We need them to provide the heath care providers on the front line the necessary equipment, supplies, tests, medication to help get this under control.

 

campgottagopee wrote

JTG4eva! wrote

Yeah, you are doing what they say to, accepting the actions.  Maybe you downplay the need, even though you are taking the steps?  Thou shalt embrace to solution!  Hand washing is a small part.

I don't feel I'm downplaying the need, not my intent. What's needed doesn't seem as difficult as what some want us to believe.

I hear ya.  Just wondering if that’s how he perceived you.

I realize that this is merely a regional skiing message board, but Camper, what you did was to amplify anecdotal stuff being said by your local hospital staff that makes it seem like this is all NBD. And your original statement excluded the bit about gathering en mass and the potential for spread from such gatherings.

Do I care? A little. Do I think the citizens of this regional skiing message board are taking the anecdotal message from some hospital employees in Cortland or wherever, delivered to them from a car dealership through a ski forum, as the word of God? Of course not!

MC2 5678F589 wrote

The Federal Government has been... Trumpified:

You just can’t help yourself. I was pretty amazed at you keeping politics out of this discussion for as long as you did - but as always, there you go again.

Trump took drastic steps earlier than any other administration did in similar situations. Travel restrictions went into affect right away. The Dems states clearly they would not have done that.

There will be plenty of time to debate the response politically and other forums to do it in.