Actually Camp I think the waterpark and lodge are the REASON they have as many skiers as they do. Look at the parking lot and at least half the cars are not local (on a weekend). They pull families in from the larger metro areas for the weekends or even a week! Without the waterpark that wouldn't be happening. Doesn't mean it's profitable, but without it they would have a lot fewer visitors.
Exactly! That's why it's hurting the ski side. That thing is such a monster that they have to cater to that customer. That has to be their customer now, there's no way around it.
To those folks 700 bucks for a pass is peanuts. That's it??? Hell I'll take 3 of them.
I get your point Camp (although I bet a lot of those customers get the early bird pass pricing). But I don't feel my situation is that unique. In fact I'd say the threshold to get me to come ski at Greek is a pretty low one - i live 45 minutes away, I've been skiing there almost 30 years, skiing is my primary winter activity, I have two late teen/early 20 kids who I'd buy some passes for to ski during their winter break, I have quite a bit of disposable income that I happily spend on recreation...yet besides the $475 early bird season pass (which I chose to not get this year in lieu of an Ikon pass and more variety), there is no ski product that Greek offers that is an adequate value to get me to open my wallet.
If they offered a special at the ski show this weekend for tickets at $50, I would have probably bought 10. Six I would use skiing with my kids, the other four I would have used skiing with one or two of my ski buddies. And I probably would have popped into Trax on most of those days.
One other point - as the multi-mountain passes continue to grow they will eat away at Greek's business from the out of town crowd. Why spend $700 for a Greek pass when you can get a multi-mountain pass for the same price and similar drive? The existence of those multi-mountain products limits Greek's ability to even raise their early bird pass pricing. They're stuck, because they have no strategy and they aren't forward thinking. I know they're on the Indy Pass, but that doesn't even fit what Greek aspires to be.