N Vermont vs Tug Hill contest

ml242 wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

And you're skiing down the mountain so basically at jay, 1000 feet up is the true measurement. If you think you're going to go from an average of less than 200 to 355 outside of lake effect country then you can believe that.

I'll let GR continue to school you, but VT is lake effect / upslope country. Mount Washington is not because a lot of that moisture is blocked, 6288 be damned.

No the moisture is NOT blocked at all at Mt washington. Look at the precip map from nh that I've posted before.
It's not hard to see the white range in that picture. Your complete lack of weather knowledge is in full display for everyone to see with a ridiculous statement like that. And vermont is not lake effect country. Champlain can't compare to what comes off the great lakes and most stuff that comes off of great lakes loses most of its precip before it hits vt.
https://www.mountwashington.org/experience-the-weather/mount-washington-weather-archives/normals-means-and-extremes.aspx


Upslope country= the entire spine of the greens. Hell, mohawk mountain gets upslope effect. That's why they average in the mid 80s for snow, while torrington gets considerably less.

I already found a map that showed 68+ for Manny.

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

PowderAssassin wrote

Glade Runner wrote

Yea after I posted the wrong one.  I had been asking you to post or repost it but, you speed read too much and ignore anything anyone says.

PowderAssassin wrote

reporting under 200 inches many years at BASE

Yes and we established the base was 18" as of last week and the summit base was 48".  2.6 times the amount at the summit than the base.  So according to 200 inches at the base that should be 500 at the summit!  A little high of course but, the snow at the base (1843 ft) should even be much higher than the NWS station being at 560 m.  Can you make an argument for why that low elevation should be used as weather data for 3858 ft or even 1843 ft? From my personal experience going to not only Jay but, Whiteface, Killington, Sugarbush, etc, there can be no snow at all all the way to the mountain and a matter of feet at the summit.  Especially when you are close to the rain/snow temp line but, on the snow side of things, deep snow can occur.

Because less MELTING takes place at the summit than at the base! OMG...common sense. Snow ridge has zero snow right on the ground because it's warmer than the summit of mansfield. Not because they got zero snow.

You didn't establish anything.

1) That's what the resort is reporting and is based on fake snow as well as real snow.
2) They could easily take that depth measurement in a drift.
3) They can't really tell on a packed down trail exactly how deep it is anyway unless you had a drill
4)Stowe is reporting a depth at summit of 24 inches(natural snow) 48 inches(man made) So did they get LESS THAN HALF the snowfall of jay peak so far this year? Using your logic jay peak has a base 0f 48 inches so it must have gotten twice the snowfall of stowe

A classic example of wind drifted snow would be tuckerman's at mt washington. All the snow gets blown in there. So it creates an illusion of more snow.

 Mt mansfield stake is 30 inches currently.

And you're skiing down the mountain so basically at jay, 1000 feet up is the true measurement. If you think you're going to go from an average of less than 200 to 355 outside of lake effect country then you can believe that.

1.) Did you even see MRG snow report video I posted?  They have full coverage after this rain with 10% snowmaking capabilities.  Jay has woods with snow in them.  In case you don't know this: they don't make snow in the woods.
2.) They easily could take the measurement in a drift, or they could go for an average base depth area.
3.) I think they do have drills.
4.) Again speed reading and not paying attention to details.  That report of 48 inch base depth at the summit was last week.  Obviously they lost something to the warmth and rain.  
5.) 1000 feet up the mountain is 2843 ft.  That is the elevation you think from your own words would be a good place to measure snowfall.  That is a lot higher than 560m, which you have not acknowledged.  And you still refuse to acknowledge that a mountain with that elevation can receive significant more snowfall at the summit or even the middle of the mountain than at the weather station.
6.)  You also ignored all my other points that I made.  You also acted like I wouldn't know its colder at the summit.  When I've been at Jay I have seen 10 degrees difference from the base to the summit.  You've also taken other opportunities as usual to insult me rather than have a civil discussion.  I hope you feel more like a man now.  I'm headed up to Greek for some night spring skiing.  Have fun posting on the blog.

Bro...you're the one ATTACKING me telling me how "you're schooling" me(when if fact you were totally wrong. Quite hilarious I might add). So I was being completely civil with you.
Have fun at greek

I don't think saying I am schooling you is an attack.  At least nothing like calling someone an idiot or stupid or lacking common sense.  And I don't believe I was totally wrong.  Yes I had the wrong station, the one you showed me was much closer to Jay.  But, the elevation difference was so different I can't see how you can say totally wrong.  I'm still right about the difference in elevation and everyone knows it does make a difference in snowfall.  And NVT does get lake effect when the winds are set up right.  Still not the kind of lake effect Buffalo or Tug Hill gets but, still enough to make a difference.  Do you know Snow Ridge only claims an average of 230" a year?  374" is their record.  Jay's worst year in the last 10 years is still 251".  Every year the totals vary.  I never said one place was the place to go for all the powder.  Just got to go where the snow is at the right time.  I'm sure Jay gives snowfall totals to make themselves look good.  When they get 4 inches at the base and 6 at the summit, I'm sure the 6 inches is what goes in the books.  But, when they get 4 inches at the base what is the weather station getting?  Most likely even less.  I think everyone can agree they both get a lot of snow compared to anywhere else in the east, that's why we are comparing the two.  And they each have their years when they get more than the other.  

Greek was ok.  Little icier than I expected but, soft corn on the edges of the trails for something to grip.  Still fun though with some buddies.  One of which is a snowboarder converting to a skier.  Going to get him ready for Mad River Glen before then end of the season.  

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Here is a recent example of lake effect from lake Champlain.

************************************POST LIMIT!! SKIMORE= IDIOT
The MORONIC PLATES = "We received 3" of snow overnight. The lake effect snow is just south of us now and according to the forecast will be shifting back our way later today with a chance of us receiving 2+ feet of snow"

THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM SNOW RIDGE'S WEBSITE. SO SKIMORE, ARE YOU CALLING THEM MORONS TOO? ARE YOU CALLING THE BUFFALO NWS MORONS AS WELL CONSIDERING THEY HAVE TURIN AS GETTING A LOT OF SNOW AND IT WILL BE A CLOSE CALL DEPENDING ON WHERE BANDS SET UP? YOU KNOW NOTHING BUDDY

Got to love the forecast for snow ridge. Looks like 2 feet plus possible. Snow 7 days in a row.
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
931 AM EST WED DEC 31 2014

NYZ007-008-312245-
/O.CON.KBUF.LE.W.0014.000000T0000Z-150102T0600Z/
JEFFERSON-LEWIS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WATERTOWN...LOWVILLE
931 AM EST WED DEC 31 2014

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 AM EST
FRIDAY...

* LOCATIONS...JEFFERSON AND LEWIS COUNTIES.

* TIMING...THROUGH OVERNIGHT THURSDAY NIGHT.

* ACCUMULATIONS...WIDESPREAD STORM TOTALS OF 1 TO 2 FEET...WITH
  LOCALIZED AREAS OF 2 TO 3 FEET OR MORE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE
  MOST INTENSE AND PERSISTENT BANDS...WHERE SNOWFALL RATES WILL
  REACH 2 TO 4 INCHES PER HOUR AT TIMES.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't reply to the post below due to POST LIMITS so I'm answering here. Yes I'm firmly aware of the banding nature of lake effect snow bands skimore

STORM TOTAL FORECAST. Again gradient is right so snow ridge will likely get less than 3 feet, but a slight shift in wind degree and that changes. WHOLE TUG HILL, including Turin will get a lot of snow most likely. Just a matter of how much
Forecast snowfall total graphic:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/gfemaps/StormTotalSnow.shtml

I guess you actually don't know where Snow Ridge is or how LE works. It's neither of those 2 cities listed. It's likely they don't get that

If they reopen with at least a few feet, I'll be there.  What about you Pow?

I see your signature Pow.  Is Snow Ridge even a mountain?

I forgot how SR moves and it's orientation changes. So you could be right and it might be near Watertown this month. Maybe it will end up with 3 ft

skimore wrote

I forgot how SR moves and it's orientation changes. So you could be right and it might be near Watertown this month. Maybe it will end up with 3 ft

Funny how that happens. What causes that, a shifting of the moronic plates ?

Most of the snow missed them.  6 to 12 inches on top of nothing.

PowderAssassin wrote

THAT'S STRAIGHT FROM SNOW RIDGE'S WEBSITE. SO SKIMORE, ARE YOU CALLING THEM MORONS TOO?

I never used any of that phrasing, but if you insist on referring to yourself as one I'm OK with it

Yea they posted that the other day and they were wrong.  Majority of that snow missed them.  Still getting some just not 3 feet.  They updated their report this morning saying they only got 6 to 12 inches.  Sucks you have to put your reply in your previous message.  But, I guess that's what you get for being a dick.

You read that wrong. They  only got a couple

from their site

We are getting some snow activity right now and once again, the forecast is for anywhere from 6" to 12" thru Friday morning.

Yes sorry about that.  A bust for Snow Ridge.

skimore wrote

I guess you actually don't know where Snow Ridge is or how LE works. It's neither of those 2 cities listed. It's likely they don't get that

MORON....the warning was for lewis county. So that includes snow ridge. It's not just for the cities of lowville and watertown, but the entire county was under a lake effect warning.

Tug hill is getting DUMPED on right now. Check the montague radar. I love how it's called "only 6-12 inches" and that  a foot of utah dry powder is considered a "bust". LMAO That would be a major storm in NVT, but for the tug it's "only a foot"

Can you imagine if snow ridge was actually located in the bullseye of the tug hill?(ie montague/highmarket) Just think about the amount of snow they'd get. Around montague averages almost 300 inches. Still way less than jay peak supposedly gets. Snow ridge is on the edge and they still get a ton of snow. 230 inch average

"NYZ007-008-021030-
/O.CON.KBUF.LE.W.0014.000000T0000Z-150102T1500Z/
JEFFERSON-LEWIS-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WATERTOWN...LOWVILLE
917 PM EST THU JAN 1 2015

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 AM EST
FRIDAY...

* LOCATIONS...JEFFERSON AND LEWIS COUNTIES.

* TIMING...THROUGH LATE FRIDAY MORNING.

* ACCUMULATIONS...THREE DAY STORM TOTALS OF TWO TO THREE FEET IN
  MOST PERSISTENT SNOWS. AN ADDITIONAL 5 TO 10 INCHES TONIGHT AND
  1 TO 3 INCHES FRIDAY WITH MOST OF THE ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATION
  SOUTH OF WATERTOWN.

* WINDS...WEST 15 TO 25 MPH TONIGHT DIMINISHING TO 10 TO 20 MPH
  FRIDAY.

* VISIBILITIES...AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...NARROW BANDS OF HEAVY LAKE EFFECT SNOW ACROSS THE AREA
  ALONG WITH BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF SNOW WILL RESULT IN DANGEROUS
  TRAVEL AT TIMES WITH SEVERELY REDUCED VISIBILITIES AND SNOW
  COVERED ROADS. SNOWFALL RATES OF 2 TO 4 INCHES AN HOUR ARE
  POSSIBLE ON THE TUG HILL TONIGHT.
"

Also, doesn't it tell you HOW reliant on natural snow snow ridge is? That tells you something right there. They're having a way BELOW average snow year. It's almost unheard to have no snow on the ground on tug hill at this time of the year. SNowmobilers must be going crazy. NVT relies on snow guns. I wonder why they have to do that when they supposedly get over 125 inches more snow than snow ridge and ARE WAY COLDER???!!! HMMMMMM

P.S.Hopefully snow ridge gets something and this band is far south enough so they can reopen. This must be KILLING their business to lose christams vacation week :(

worst thread on the forum by far

Your post count is limited so you use your daily post to attack others and call them morons.  Lol  How much longer do you expect Harvey to keep you around?  

Yea I do think an expected 6 to 12 inches on top of nothing is a bust for them.  They are running snowmaking.  Im sure they will open but it wont be worth the drive for me without that 2 to 3 feet.  It shouldnt matter to you either cause you wouldn't be going either way.  

PowderAssassin wrote

the warning was for lewis county. So that includes snow ridge.

My last post to your nonsense. Just because Lewis was listed doesn't mean the whole county is going to get bombed. Watertown was because it's favorable for a slightly SW flow which then usually misses Snow Ridge. I'll help you out as you seem to have trouble with maps. That means the snow would be a little too far north

You should stick to posting about something you know...........oh wait that's nothing


I take the PowderPuff pledge!!!!!

From Snow Ridges report this morning: "We received 4" of snow and it's snowing lightly now.   Because we  just haven't gotten enough snow so far, we will not be able to be open today.  We are continuing to make snow and it is piling up.  We will be making snow all day today and tonight.  With this additional snowmaking, we will be open on Saturday with limited trails.  More details will follow later today. "

They had even expected to open Friday and now they aren't.  Too bad, I had been hoping for another big powder day.  Seems like its been too long.